So many people want zoning and yet don't want player governments

They want a way to keep casinos and clubs and laggers and ugly builds out of their SIM and yet don't want player governments.

Folks. The only way we will EVER have zoning (and we do, in areas) is if people learn to get together and agree on some rules about what they're going to build.

Groups. Getting together. Agreeing on rules.

That's what government is all about!

i would love to have player government......by the Lindens. they can make a system of zoning that is built in to sl and we're already used to following their rules. plus i trust them a heck of a lot more than some random players.

not to mention Ulrika hasn't been a great advertisement for player government.

edit: forgot my big point which is that building a government for every couple sims would be alot of boring tedious work too. good luck finding enough people who want to make that their full time sl occupation. and pay for the privilege of doing so.

Zuzi, if it's by the Lindens it isnt Player government

if they're governing players it's player government. zing!

anyway.....can we just link this into one of the 200 threads where people say they don't want player government? might save time.

Government of players.

I would love it if the Lindens would zone sims. It would take some juggling in those sims already populated. But ultimately only the Lindens can or should enforce something like this.

Another option, buy your own sim either individually, or with a group of like-minded people and do whatever you want.

I am as adamantly opposed to zoning as I am to player run government. If you want zoning, get a bunch of like minded people together and do it yourself. If there's a big enough demand for zoned sims then LL can provide them for those that choose to opt in. The people who make the most noise about wanting zoning tend to be those that would like to force it on others regardless of their desire to have it or not.

The people who make the most noise about anything tend to be those who would like to force it on others regardless of their desire to have it or not.

I don't want zoning - of any kind. (I don't want self-government either)

I've lived next to large clubs, malls and other various builds that I have heard complaints about in the forums. I have however, never complained once about my neighbors.

I could care less if someone builds a giant penis the size of the world trade center on the sim I live in, as long as they are not dragging prims onto my land, I'm happy.

Is lag a pain - yes - but eventually even they get tired of it, or their building skills improve and things change.

I like the diversity and I'm willing to temper my dislike of something to have it. (Excepting of course, blatant violations of the TOS).

And there we have it. SL is big enough for folks to zone, play government, set up independent city-states, what have you. Which is great, I would like to see them in action and see the results....just....

DON'T TREAD ON ME

Opt-in zoning doesn't work unless you have HUGE amounts of land under your control.

Again it boils down to "it's my land, so nyah".

Sad, but true.

LF

I still don't understand why people who want some zoning don't live in Brown. It's so empty and theres always land up for grabs. Slap a few trees up and it could be green! - ish.

Because that wouldn't promote the dramafests they crave.

Because it looks like a RL neighborhood? No vampire castle, no alien club, no strange tower, no weird animals.

How utterly boring.

Which is why I'm against zoning.

I think that two things together will help to solve this, while not infringing upon the abilities of current landowners to do what they wish with their land.

First, sections of the world which are zoned to not have telehubs would make areas of the land largely unsuitable for large commercial endeavors; malls and clubs. Mall owners and club owners would still be free to build in these areas if they chose, but the lack of telehubs would reduce custom traffic noticeably, and hopefully encourage them to move elswhere.

Second, creating private sims that are owned by groups of people; each member of the group pays LL directly instead of a single private landlord, and implementing a system of governance on that private sim whereby each resident votes and is weighed against how much land they own there.

I will hold to what I've said in other threads; we (well, err, LL, that is) should be seeking solutions that require less involvement from the home office. We should be actively promoting ideas that reduce the amount of LL involvement in settling disputes, or managing social interactions. We need systems of management that are near-infinitely scaleable, without also requiring that the Lindens increase their staff resources by an equal amount.

Part of that should be coming up with ways for like-minded groups of individuals to seek their privacy and zoned neighborhoods off on their own. Part of it should be in finding ways to perhaps encourage (but not force) different types of builds in different areas of the world.

Part of it will of necessity growing thicker skin, all of us, and take a looser look at the differences between "offensive" and "abusive".

Why does everyone think player governments have to be forced upon them?

Why can't they accept that we will continue to have lawless zones where there is no zoning and where anyone can simply create a noisy club with tonnes of laggy scripts and huge prim penii (my spelling).

Is it because you think there is some huge slippery slope that will doom us all?

Yes, there are anarchists who don't want to be apart of bigger groups. We all get that. Just because we want to have player governments doesn't mean we can't have player anarchies.

I would like to see more zoned areas where players have agreed on building rules. This is the only way we'll ever have more and bigger complex builds.

But that's why its so good!!! It's so deliciously controlled and conservative!

The bold print part above is exactly why I am against player government zoning. Subjective opinions deciding zoning, and that is indeed a slippery slope. (First time I have used that phrase, woot!).

because they won't take it otherwise?

Go away, Blaze. Any player run governments that decide they want to show up can bite my furry ass.

*runs up and bites Tiktik's butt*

I AM PlayerRun Government!!!

.....

....well, at least as soon as Government becomes a last name.

Ack! Dammit Nala!

Okay, any governments by people that I don't want biting my ass under normal circumstance.

Zoning already exists - like minded players living together in a sim and respecting each others wishes:

Taber
Clementia
Seacliff

To name 3 off the top of my head.

Ooooooooo! My favorite little white kitty's named Tikki!!!! *Snugs the Tikki!!!*

I wouldn't worry about player-run government....It aint gonna happen, unless enforced by the Lindens, in which case it's a Linden-run government. People can vote all they want to in-game about laws, zoning, etc...if there isn't any way to enforce said laws (which there won't be), then the laws have no validity....nor does the government.

There's a reason why one of the Lindens is named Governor. They are our lovable, hard-working, thankless legislators...and they're all too aware that what they say is law.

another one for the top of your head, Siggy:

Louise