So many people want zoning and yet don't want player governments

Excellent!

I think Lusk, Darkwood, and Gibson too... thats trying to keep to 'multiple players own' - I'm not sure if Umber and Indigo are - but if you dropped that out the number goes up higher!

I'm sure there are many more - there are so many sims nowadays it's hard to keep up.. hell there are sims in SL I've never set foot in (and growing by the month).

Proof positive that players *can* get together with likeminded ideas and form a community though cooperation. Of course just because people *can* doesn't mean they *will*

Early SL, when I joined (1.0) had several 'zoned sims' but they slowly seemed to fall apart, and were eventually abandoned.. So I have my doubts as to LL doing it again.

I would say peoples best bet would be to get together, form groups, get a place to call home and slowly expand... If enough people do it one of two things could happen.

1). LL could reevaluate based on what the people are doing.
2). LL doesn't do anything - because the people are working it out for themselves.

Either way - you get what you want.

Siggy.

Well, they have that. It's called "a group". People get in it, they kick in tier, they hold a meeting, they decide to bid together on a sim, they kick in money together, they decide how they want the sim to look. Try doing that in one group, then report back.

But don't spread that all through the game. Gack.

I agree - I happen to love the diversity of watching what moves in around me next. I love newbie builds. It's fun to see their original ideas and it's fun to help them. I don't want to even live somewhere that adheres to a theme, even if it's one I think is cool. That's because I most likely will change my mind a couple of weeks from now and want to do something entirely different.

Eeeee! I'm not feline though. o.o Well.... often.

Darn, Nala beat me to it! No fair, Nala!

Yeah, that's really beautiful. But what happens when someone decides to stop respecting the wishes of the others?

They get booted from the group and can no longer own / build on group land.

Group booting / banning is how you enforce player governments.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the group system is far from adequate here.

If I join this group, and give my land to the group, then ANYONE in the group can build on it. If I'm wrong about that, and the group system CAN work... really, I'd love an good explanation. If you don't deed your land to the group, then when you leave (or are asked to leave) the group, you take the land with it, and you have your guy not in the group, just in the middle of it.

I guess what we need to be bitching about more than government at this point is contract enforcement, because without that, we are just pissin' in the wind.

Well, you donate a land tier to the group. If you get kicked out, so goes your land tier and then the group has less land under their control.

In the case of group communities - you get bye bye from the group - and the amount of land tier you put in is withdrawn, which the other group members must compensate for..

This works really well for groups -- the GNU Wave store has run this way since it was set up.. People have joined and left the group many times and yet the store still stands - I've found it to be rather resiliant while offering a good amount of flexabiltity in that regard.

I don't see why it wouldn't work for a fledgling community either.

As for individually owned land taking up an entire sim... I don't know - Which actually is a better answer than you'd imagine... The first plot of land I bought was in Taber, circa 1.0 - next door to me, my neighbour Jai started up the Tudor Village with (for want of a better term) the refugees from Americana. We haven't come to that point yet I guess.... which says something for getting together with like minded people that respect one another and forming a community.

Gibson has been around for even longer.. maybe they can give some perspective on how they run things - the ups and downs.

Siggy.

Not true, I want a player government...













...so I can overthrow it.

Glad to see I'm not alone! Give a Huzzah for drama, corruption and civil unrest!

HUZZAH!! HUZZAH!

Yep - in the meantime we can continue building community, learing how to work towards the common good - which is opt-in and not-enforceable except through self-discipline and good will.