Since when does the word game notate shooting and vandalism?

I have been part of Second Life for a while now. I do not post often and I try to stay out of conflict but this has gone on long enough.
Before you start with the asking if I want cheese are any other insults you want to throw at me let me welcome you to it. Nothing an ignorant bigot with a fourth grade education can say to me will have any affect. I have been an activist for years. So if you want to call me a wimp go ahead. I have faced down many of your kind. I have marched been attacked spat on and called every name you could possibly come up with. Plow away boys it will not hurt me a bit.
Now as far as this phrase that all the war folks like to use “it’s a game people just play the game” let me say you are right. So play the way you want just do it on your sim. For God sake you were given an entire sim, please stay on it.
Many of us came to Second Life long before you, and the original concept was to build a world that does not exist in reality. War is real and does exist out here, as well as all that political crud you seem to enjoy spewing.
The signs are highly offensive, but even there I would back you if you kept them on your own sim. We do not want to see it. The Confederate flag however must go. Ladies, Gentlemen please that flag can only serve to stir hatred (maybe that is what you want).
Now I know you are just trying to enjoy yourselves, and it must be frustrating to find that most of us do not agree with your definition of fun. It does need to stop soon though.
You and the Lindens have to realize eventualy someone will get fed up and hire a lawyer and none of us want that.
Again, I know your response will be some other shattering intelligent remarks about me, my politics, maybe even my mom. It does not matter. I have not called name. I just am trying to get you to see there is another side to this issue.

Ya , i Agree 100%.

Whoa hey there.

Maybe you should slow down and explain what the problem is first?

He's pissed because I put the Dixxie Flag up on the Jessie wall to cover up the left wing extremists propaganda that some players not from Jessie have vandilized our wall with.

I told you last night we already met with the Lindens and agreed to take down all the stuff on the wall and won't post anymore political posters if they would take down the leftist propaganda posters some of you people felt the need to put on it....

I told you this last night, the Lindens are working on it so an amicable solution can be worked out for everyone but I guess you felt the need to beat a dead horse.

Sorry if I put up the Red Star you would have probably liked it..

What is offensive to some is NOT to many others..if it offends you it's your opinion, and it goes with saying it'a also my free speech to display it.

Thai, I agree with you all the way.

Syank, belief and religion is free speach. Racisim isn't.

ok we cant cencer people let them be the way they are you cant change people and if you try it always blows up in your face....

Who said ANYTHING about racism? You are making such an outlandish assumption, maybe I can sue you 2 for defamation..

For you to say the Battle flag is racist or represents anything other that Southern pride, is an opinion...

I guess the Dukes Of hazzard's was a racist show right?

The Confederate Battle Flag is a symbol, a monument, and a testament to hundreds of thousands of Southerners who fought and bled and died defending their home, their families, and what they believed in. Most Confederate soldiers were just poor farmers trying make a living the best they could, many had no slaves.
All of this, the good, the bad, the blood, the honor, the land, is wrapped up, part and parcel, into a vibrant spirit of the South, and that spirit's material form is the Confederate battle flag. If you reject it, you reject the South. And then you forget. We cannont afford to forget, especially our mistakes.

A QUOTE FROM GEN. ROBERT E. LEE: "With all my devotion to the Union and the feeling of loyalty and duty of an American citizen, I have not been able to raise a hand against my relatives, my children, my home. I have therefore resigned my commission in the United States Army...."

A QUOTE FROM E. M. FORSTER: "I hate the idea of causes, and if I had to choose between betraying my country and betraying my friend, I hope I should have the guts to betray my country"

With all of in mind, I hope you will be well informed, and less ignorant of the meaning behind the the rebel flag. One you leave this site, I can only hope that you will leave knowing that the Confederate battle flag really is a symbol of Heritage and Pride, not hate...

Even though i agree with nearly nothing Syank says i do believe that a Confederate flag has absolutely nothing to do with slavery. Although the Confederates supported it during the Civil War they werent fighting for it , they were fighting for their independence. So the Confederate flag has nothing to do with slavery what so ever.

I love you too Nate...lol

Dude calm down. I wasn't even talking about a confederate flag. I was just making an example, saying that freedom of speach doesn't cover EVERYTHING that you say. A confederate flag IS NOT racisit, I know.

And if you still don't get it, then I could have also said "Syank, belief and religion is free speach. Murder isn't. That's obviously a bad example but it would demonstrate what I meant.

I just think it's an outrage that this guy sits here on his high horse and then accuses me of being a racist because I put up a Rebel Flag..

Just out of curiousity, where DOES the term “high horse” come from ?

This flag is meant to honor the southerners who fought and died for their country. It has been
placed in the center of a great debate and will remain controversial. A flag is defined by it's
original users, not by what current political leaders say about it.
When Betsy Ross made the first US Flag, it was defined by it's original use as a freedom from
oppression flag for the newly formed country. If Iraq or some other country or group started to
use this flag, it would still be America's first flag and represent our independence from tyrany.
Just because the newest user tries to give it their meaning, doesn't change what it means to us.
Any person who claims that the Rebel or Confederate Flag is a racial hatred flag, doesn't
know or understand history.

I must be bored, cause i searched up an explanation hehe

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Why do we tell someone who's snooty to get off his or her high horse?

If you know anything about horses, you're aware that they come in a pretty wide variety of sizes and shapes. Clydesdales, for examples, are very big, while Shetland Ponies are, by comparison, pretty diminutive.

At one time, the size of your horse would have had a lot to do with your social position. Knights, for instance, high on the social scale, needed big horses to hold them and their equipment. Other high-standing people just liked to sit tall in the saddle, with a little help from their steed.

The expression "get off your high horse" thus means to come down from such social pretensions.

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I find it very funny that you defend putting up the confederate flag by citing free speech and at the same time admit that the reason you put it up was to silence someone with a point of view you disagree with.

Former General Mayhem goer?

I find it funny of you to read so deep into it as you have..

I didn't want to add to the politcial back and forth by just putting up ANOTHER political poster to incite someone, so I went through the pics I have already uploaded and used the flag...

Someone else trying to make a something out of nothing..That's all I have met in this game so far..

what i find is ironic is the fact that they say you will carry your reputation along with you in SL ... so whats the problem ... if you dont like synak or his flag, boycott him. in fact ... what i find repulsive is the fact that these kind of "politics" get dragged into a game where i go to escape them, geez peeps, let it go. if you know in your heart that you are better than someone elses view then GREAT ! i just cant believe that the Linden's stepped in on this issue. i bet alot of people will stop playing this game when they see that they cant express themselves as they wish. especially over such a lame issue as a flag. the violence and shooting of people .... here again , if you dont like it, stay out of the areas that have damage turned on , its that simple. haha i wonder what you folks are gonna do when this game live and there are 50 people hanging rebel flags all over the place :\ .... or 200 people shooting at you as you fly across 2 or 3 sims
not to mention Thai ... you started the insults with the 4th grade education bigot line as an opening to this forum topic and as far as i see, its the only insult that has been thrown in these threads thus far, be careful, or yes .... conflict will erupt. and if you really think someone can hire a lawyer due to a video game , or if someone tried to even, then they take a "game" WAY too far ! hell maybe i will study video game justice and become one of these overpaid gamers hehe

sorry if i sound rude or bulligerant, its just the way i feel
Deanah

How many people would consider the rebel flag a symbol of the old slave owning south? Many, many would. I myself, know that it doesn't, but it's a common symbol that's been perverted over the years by 'proud' southerners who also display their racism. If i were to drive into brooklyn with a confederate flag on my antenna, I would be assumed a racist southerner. I'm not dissing the south, I'm not saying that this is what the rebel flag actually stands for, I'm just saying that people who display it are only asking for trouble. This is kind of like the people that scribble swasticas (spelling?) in school books and claim it to still be a religious symbol. You know just as well as i do that you were only stirring up trouble the second you uploaded that texture.

You know I learned from a wwiioler that there are indeed some lines some of them wont cross. He had deleted a swastika from an emblem he was wearing on his German uniform as not to offend. I wonder what the overall feeling of this is? Im for not posting them (swastikas) however while doing research fot the NAV I learned the indians used this marking/symbol long before the Germans. It could then be argued it itsnt an offensive symbol, right? Well Im sorry.... I think WRONG. Perception is reality. Just because you think something isnt offensive doesnt mean it isnt to someone else. What it really boils down to is are we going to be open to one anothers feelings and have compassion and be a community or are we going to be a group of individuals doing our own thing. Thats for each person to decide. Whats it going to be for you?

IMHO -- the WWiioler guys came in with a war mentally, from that other game. Why they could not see SL is NOT that other game, I dunno.

But they came in thinking war. War needs enemies. There were none, just the rest of us. That is why we became their targets.

At the non-hosted chat the other night, one view was that the Lindens do nothing. But I disagree here, they have already done something, and they probs need to do more. The Lindens gave them an entire island to themselves. When did that ever happen? The themed communities weren't given that. The themed communities were given a set of guidelines to work with. Kissling the community wasn't given that, it was a completely independent acquisition.

I think that Jessie should be physically separated from the rest of the world. Send it out to sea. All other sims out of range of any warring projectiles launched from Jessie. Another island created near by, one island red, the other black. Then red against black. Maybe some sort of ongoing war games with the spoils of war included. Open to anyone who wishes to join.

But when all the participants are on neutral ground all warring is off and all the standards of community life need to be adhered to.

So then those who wish to war in SL can do so, and not at any cost to the rest of us any more.

As for the political symbols, if they are within community standards and on one’s own land, they should be allowed.

Then maybe the Outlands can return to what it once was, a wild and dangerous place, not a war zone.

I think SL has room enough for all of this and more.


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"You know just as well as i do that you were only stirring up trouble the second you uploaded that texture."


So you know how to read minds now? Man, that is lame..

If I wanted to post something else to "stir up something" I could find a whole lot more offensive things to post than a damn flag..


I have stated this here and in other threads more than one time, I speak for each and every WWWiiolr when I say we want an end to this bullshit.

We want the wall and it's surroundings cleaned up and an end to the political campaigns that we did not start in the first place. That is why we went to the Lindens and that is why people in my group are choosing to respond to the political attacks with pictures of flags and other things INSTEAD of more political stuff.

But it does not matter what I say because most of you won't accept anything that any of our group says or does no matter what the subject.

It is overtly apparent that we will never be accepted into this community based on our differences in both our beliefs and on our perception of what this game is.

Your first comment is why there is friction. "our group"
The rest of us are second life residents - your group from day one has decided not to join the community and be WWIIonliners.

Nobody else here has decided to seperate themselves from the community as your group has done. The attitudes of some of your members as well as some the other residents has crossed the line from childish to just plain stupid.

I think you need to stop looking at yourselves as WWIIOnliners in Second Life and try being Second Life Resident in a WWIIOnline group.

BTW, I have no idea why the posting of a rebel flag, or even a nazi swastika can effect the life of someone setting behind a computer screen on the other side of the world.

Well, I posted this a few minutes ago in the wrong thread, so I figures I should put it over here where someone concerned might actually read it:



We need to pass on to the residents of ALL sims that - open fire or not - all players are required to responsible members of the community who do not significantly interfere with the ability of other players to play the game. And they also need to know that no sim is the private domain of any small group of players.

I'm sure they can figure out a way to continue battling under these strictures.

I do not believe in virtual gun control. I simply feel that it is not going to work when the "lawlessness" of a particular sim cannot be separated from the "reality" of every user's responsibility to the others. In other words, just because they role-play being outlaws, hopefully Linden doesn't give them license to be outlaws in the dealings with their fellow users.

You can play at lawlessness, but you still must obey the law. And that goes further that simply shouting at them that they should stay out of your territory if they don’t want to get shot. There is also the responsibility to not use the power SL gives you to bully the other players.






Mr Syank is, as he often is, very wise here. I simply think that some folks came to the game with one model in their heads, and other folks came with another. They turn out not to be very compatible. The reason that incompatibility wasn't apparent immediately was because shooting is allowed, and this may have confused folks.

I love the fact that shooting is allowed. It give a drama all its own. I have my own reasons for thinking the entire grid should be damaged enabled, but back to the point: people have to know that the shooting DOES NOT automaitically make this into Couterstrike.

Different rules. Different game.



Thanks for your attention.