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The only thing being choked here is your chicken.

Something to hide? OK, you got me. While I can't fully disclose details, you are right. There is a MUCH larger conspiracy here than you can even imagine. You just have to dig a little deeper.

I suggest you look higher up on the food chain. This goes all the way to the top. If word of this ever gets out, it will rock SL to it's foundation.

Follow the rabbit.

Schwan, you gave him some "examples" of possible answers, probably he is asking for something more definite, and i would like to hear it too.
What definately stimulates my curiosity is what weedy said about the acquisition of that land and i definately don't like it (my opinion) if it's true, So would like to hear your side of the story as well.

Btw, wasn't it the white rabbit?

Alright I admit it! It was me! In conspiracy with a very young Philip Linden, I SHOT JFK! It was ME!

Are you a racist?

No, a fairy tale fanatic/purist

Threat?

Whatever difference of opinion Schwanson and I have, at least we are able to engage in discussion with civility. This thread is not about you, or your rudeness or threatening behavior. Don't waste your breath responding, because I am selecting the option to put you on my ignore list. Have a nice day.

Please...spare the drama. No one has threatened anyone in this thread. Put me on your ignore list...it won't stop me from calling you out. If I seem rude to you it's only because I am

By the way you and schwanson aren't having a difference of opinion...you have outright accused him of suspect behavior with no proof to back it up.

I think all scanning scripts should be required to be in the prim form of a blackbird. Every now and then the script should be required to land near a avatar and stare ominiously at them for a minute. I have this image of Torley standing near a park bench, looking over, and seeing 100 blackbird land scanners perched there staring back.

We need more Hitchcock moments like this in SL.

Tcoz your points are very well made I think LL would be wise to listen up. Sometimes its best to do things for the greater good, rather than the individual.

I hope they heard you.
Cat

Map scanners give information and views otherwise not available through the Map. Say I want a easy to read height map of SL, or to know how much water to land ratio, or weather patterns across the world, or a 3D representation view of the world, etc. There are tons of good uses to be had by some scanners, such as mapping ones.

That being said, should you be able to opt-out of such scanners? Sure. I think it would be reasonable to ask for a script function that could detect such things to avoid such land though. But I also do think land owners should be given tools to say what they do and don't want to be a part of, and who they do and don't want to have doing stuff on their land, be it object or avatar presence wise.

I also think any scanner should be perfectly visible and provide information somehow on what it is doing. Liona's idea isn't a bad one really, a standard way for an object to represent itself as a scanner would be nice.

Banning all scaners of any sort is a bad idea, its the same as taking out llTeleportAgentHome or any other function that has perfectly good uses, but sometimes is not used properly. Limiting functions or executions that criple all things that use it, good or bad, is a bad idea.

I think the best way in dealing with scanners would be to give land owners the ability to shut out a specific persons objects at any height, such as Khamon suggests.

Weedy,
You were just spotted claiming public land....again.
Are you using land scanners to detect public land? Where are they? How many do you have? How often do you scan?

Where you just trying to deflect an angry mob towards me???

Shut up blaze. You fixate on post count and born on dates WAY too much.

<----- Pitchfork wielding maniac

HAHA, OMG, you do, Liona? Please, I'd like to see this. I'm unaware this ever happened to me (did they erase my memory too?) but that sounds so funny.

Agreed, Oz. Don't cripple the LSL, but do give landowners the ability to opt out.

Oz is now my official representative in all threads related to the land scanner controversy. For any clarifications of my opinions, please see Oz Spade

... do 1-through passes, don't self-replicate, don't have to constantly be above the land.

That is at least the third or fourth time this has been pointed out.

Think I have something neat in the works, wish I just had a stretch of a few hours to finish it.

Why do bursts of objects? And lets put some building and scripting T&A into these products.

I worked up something that bobs in the air, rotates slowly, and shoots out a series of temp on rez scanners at the height of the scanner base in four directions. Think of it sort of like a scanner clock. So, instead of bursts of info from hundreds of objects, you get a nice steady stream of data, and it's sort of fun to watch. Ongoing rotations ensure a fairly wide scanner range. Yeah a sophisticated one would move through guaranteed routes all over the grid, but this is more for the hobbyist than the serious land grinder. Certainly could add the feature though, there's plenty of scripts out there that demonstrate how to move something through the grid.

Features could be:

- on/off
- rate of rotation / rotation off (for consistently scanning a specific direction...watch that neighbor!)
- rate of scanner spawn
- particle trail (for when launched, not perma)
- particle land height detection (keeps scanner at consistent height over all terrain)
- LED: Linden Emergency Detection (boss key)


So, I'm thinking of a way to collect the data. I used to have a land scanner that would send data to a web page and tell me who was on my land and for how long, and if there were any objects on my land that didn't belong to me. Maybe a modified version of that to take advantage of everything SL has to offer. However, anybody can set themselves up a garbage hotmail account and use that, especially since they're 1gig or whatever now.

Here's probably a very useful pattern (I don't scan for land data but this is what I'm thinking I'd want):

Use llGetLandOwnerAt to return the key of the owner of the land below the scanner. NULL_KEY returned if the land is public. When you get NULL_KEY, shoot out an email. Possibly attempt to rez a beacon.

There isn't a hell of a lot else you can do actually.

If you hook this up to MSIM, you can even get alerts! PUBLIC LAND DETECTED HERE'S THE LOCATION. Bring your pitchfork and pepper spray, the land speculators are going to get bloody.

I'll pick away at it when I'm online this week. It's actually sort of fun I've never done this sort of development. I generally avoided it since I assumed it was completely illegal. Sort of like discovering it's ok to shoot a gun off your roof. Sooner or later you'll do it, and you'll probably think it's fun. And of course it's nice to have a new project.

Bel, anyperson who has me as their spokesperson is insane, so you're insane. But I am honored!

Hiro, Duh.

Tcoz, are you available for hire as an evil-but-legal-evil genius? I like the cut of your jib and your ideas. I suggest the following features be added...

- Have it randomly, or on an event, play Hey Yah! By Outkast. (The unofficial-official theme song of SL)

- When someone approaches have it spawn another prim that greets them friendly like and asks how their day is.

If you want to make it usefull (well, besides to land speculators), I suggest these:

- Have it make up a map of SL that shows what parts are laggy, i.e. say you have an index of colors that go from green (little lag, high Sim FPS) to red (alot of lag, low Sim FPS), the map would then show these patterns across the grid. This would help travelers in avoiding laggy sims. Also histories and stats could be created simular to Chromal's page in which one could see what sims are "bad" FPS wise.

- Show weather patterns (based on average land height and cloud thickness), i.e. higher land would mean more clouds (snow sims) which would mean clowdy/snowy weather, where as lower lands mean less clouds which means clearer weather.

- Have them keep track of agents in a sim. You could do two things with this, one, create a map with just regular green dots on it, simular to the world map, but have it presented on a website. Two, do the green dots, but also have names, keys, and coords of the agents when you mouse over a green dot. (Two could present privacy issues, but hey, that information is easily available to any scripts right? And as long as you aren't following them or tracking what they're saying.)

And for general fun:

- If a certain list of people enter the area, say of "known speculators", it provides an alert on a website so everyone can grab their pitchforks and go after em. You could even use a handy dandy map link so people can pop open their SL and jump right in!

Hell, thats a good idea if public land is spoted, have a webpage with the SL link to the direct coords of the property, then you just click and bam!

I have a question. I'm sorry if this has already been answered.


Does Pete Fats still have control of these objects? With the virulent nature being described here, is it possible that even if he wanted to, he could not recall all of the self-replicating madness that has infected the grid?

They spawn from pretty little boxes under the sea, shoot up 400m, then take off to their destination sim. They do this constantly from these motherships every second, every day. They travel from the base area thru other sims until they reason their destination. From observations they thin out towards the end of the mainland public sim, this leads me to belive that they DO die once they reach their destination point only replicating once or twice (if at all). Plus I never see these travelling in directions towards the motherships, always away from it. They (assuming here) sprout, fly, scan and die. Pretty cool stuff I must say. Here's a pic of 4 of the underwater motherships that give birth. One location is in Piekea (see pic for sim name) in the SW corner i think. Other huge thread about this has the coords.

There is no way you can absolutely guarantee that any one, or even series of, commands, even combined with settings, will destroy every object in every place. However, on a bad day in SL, there is no way you can guarantee that the object right in front of you will delete when it's supposed to.

I won't include any kind of avatar scanning or chat listener. The former is potentially admin problematic, the latter definitely. After all, we wouldn't want to violate the TOS or do anything to piss anybody off.

Does this mean I can't have a scanner to find 2 or more AV's having sex?

I would like to jump in early and trademark this idea as the "Perv-o-matik Scanner"

That would have some interesting settings.

Kissing=N
Cuddling=N
Sex:Male/Female=Y
Sex:Male/Male=N (not that there's anything wrong with that)
Sex:Female/Female=Y,100 (give this scan priority)
Sex:2+Female=Y,99

Hmmm... need a tester?