Olde London & Neverland Petition

Olde London & Neverland Petition
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Greetings citizen's of Second Life..... My name is Adam Cooper and I am starting a official Petition to make Olde London & Neverland (as well as the connecting land called "Lovely Thoughts" a permanent feature of Second Life....... as some of you already know, these great places are as of this time temporary only. a LOT of us players feel that the results of these two places are so outstanding that it deserves a permanent spot on Second Life..........

A lot of love, work, time, blood, sweat, and tears went into the creation of these three "Sims" an it is disheartening to know that it will go bye-bye unless WE the people an players of SL do something about it..... For those of you (the few) who do not know what these places are, let me tell you simply........

Olde London is a replication of 1900's England.... Big Ben is there. Free "period" costumes an items are there to get at the shops. Even Jack the Ripper is present doing his evil deeds (The body count still rises btw). neverland is simply put "Never Never Land" from the book "Peter Pan". The Lost Boys are there an the Indians too. So are the pirates, an of course Captain Hook himself!

So those of you who have NOT seen this great place..... What are you waiting for??? An for those who have, I say this to all of YOU. London & neverland needs you to help it live. How you ask? Glad you asked (Hehehe)......

If YOU believe that Olde London & Neverland (as well as "Lovely Thoughts" should be saved, just write a quick notecard saying AYE and if you can, also say why you think so, and please give it to me in the game so I may add it to the list......

This petition will be seen by the powers that be I guarantee it..... Share with the Lindens your feelings about the place(s) as your words will be heard.......

Thank you for your time good citizens.... We all wish you the best an hope you enjoy your time at Olde London & Neverland......... Its not everyday we can play in our dreams......... Have fun, and remember, keep looking up.........

Peace........


P.S: How's that for some serious shit Bill.............

Sure why not.

Can I have a free not-for-profit sim too?

It will be a bit sad to see it close but I remember back when Oz was here and how wonderful it was and wishing it could stay. It closed of course and paved the way for Neverland. Who can say what lies beyond Neverland when it is no more?

Someone will jump my ass for this but I am against it...
If you want my reasons I will explain them to you privatley.

I think it should stay as well. I believe any large project that is successful should stay. This will only make SL a better place and give a wider variety to new comers. SL needs more of a variety in things to do so that people don't get bored of the same stuff. Spellbound busted *#@ to get the job done!! Congratz Fey & Baccara and everyone in Spellbound for a job well done!!

Oh I agree a large project should stay, but lets not forget, LL is paying for this, not Spellbound. Would Spellbound do this if they had to pay for the land? and would they maintain if they had to pay monthly fees? Not likely...

If that is the case LL please reimburse me for Navora (dark Life) and start covering the costs.

Sensual definately has a point here.

Sensual i agree with you 100 percent

I dont see the point, Neverland gets no profit from anything. They worked hard to give us all something special. Will it go away? Of course it will. Would Spellbound want it to stay? I doubt it. There's much hard work involved keeping it running. When it goes it will be sad but I always look forward to what is next. And whatever is next I know Spellbound will not be in it for any reason other than the joy of bringing all in SL something special for awhile

Thanx, LL and Spellbound

Unless LL is going to financially support every group/person that wants to do a large scale project there is a very good point.

most large projects are done, or want to be done for profit..... Im sure if anyone else wished to take on the job that Spellbound does LL would help them in the same way..... Temporary help, not help to build something huge then turn it over to players. There is no comparison in my eyes.
Your forgetting this is temporary help to bring something special to all of us for a short period of time. With no compensation for the months of work that has gone into it.

no hun I dont forget... I have no problem with it being temporary, but the petition on this thread is to keep it... or is there something I am misunderstanding?

No, not at all and I agree, it shouldnt be permanent. And it wont be no matter how many of this type of threads are started
I have stated all along in this thread that it wont remain. And one of the reasons being is it would have to be done for all projects. And honestly what in the future would we miss out on if it was

Not to blow the wind out of Neverland's sails... but SL history seems to imply that great, grand projects that are "kept" usually flounder and die eventually, or slowly rot away.

Examples: Lindenworld (theme park), the Luna Mall (does that place do even HALF the business of the private Sims?), Nova Albion (pretty much dead in the water), NEo Tokyo, Nexus Prime... The Governor's mansion... heck, all of Oak Grove or Rizal is a great testament to this.

I'm forgetting others.

SL, thus far, houses a bunch of temporary things that will ebb and flow with time.

If we were to keep Neverland running out of the Linden's pocketbook, it would be taken for granted, and interest would eventually dissipate, finally turning it into another Linden ghost town.

Let's keep the magic up, and then close it down when it's supposed to.

LF

I would suggest that LL simply store the object/data material for the sims and bring them back next year at this same time for a yearly celebration. This way they would never go away, but there wouldn't be the overwhelming sense that some people are being cheated out of having a sim for free, etc. I don't agree that it should stay permanently. But please, for big projects like this, let's make some holidays and things, could we please? I might suggest this in a second thread.

For people who are interested in keeping this sort of thing around .. I have a free tool which will let you save multi-sim structures, with no limitation on the amount of prims.

Basically, with the tool you can re-rez the whole installation on the click of a mouse button. Therefore you could bring back neverland whenever you so wished.

See the building forums for more information.

I agree with you completely, LF. The only thing constant in SL is change. As amazing as Neverland is (and I have to say it is one of the most impressive things I've ever seen in SL), it is not something that should languish beyond its time. It just gives a glimpse of what is truly possible in SL when the brightest talent comes together for something besides commerce, and I can't wait to see what lies in the future, while fondly remembering builds of the past.

No. It needs to be closed just like Oz was so that something else can take it's place.

LL could make the OPTION available to the builders to put up the money, buy their own sim and maintain it to keep it.

Fey and I have been reading this thread all evening in between hosting Neverland and doing other work.
In all of this rhetoric, we have yet to see anyone discuss asking us what our plans might have been or are for this project.

There is NO one who will agree more whole heartedly than us that everything loses its luster if allowed to run too long. We never intended to do anything but put up a beautiful build, have people enjoy it and then let it gracefully come to an end.

We do, however resent the fact that some people would like to keep hammering the point that we built this project with support. We hardly think that this is what should be the lesson or the gift of Neverland rather than the fact that so many are enjoying its run.

We do not take away from anyones commerical endeavors, not do we criticize them. We haven't dissected other peoples projects or builds, but rather enjoyed them or not depending on whether they interested us.

It was our hope that this project would spawn some new ideas and concepts for Second Life, both by the Lindens and our many creative minds. We had no ulterior motives, no major league agenda and no ill feelings towards anyone.

We refuse to be saddened by this or any other thread. We appreciate the Lindens support of this project & the kinds words of those who have enjoyed it. For those who didn't, we are sorry that we didn't please you, but to make everyone happy is an impossibility.

With a wonderful team we built a project. We provided everything free of charge, in addition to our time. We now spend countless hours hosting and guiding people around the area. This, we hope will absolve us of any guilt in some people's eyes over not having to pay for this land in addition to everything else we have already donated. (Money, time, etc.)

Thank you to our team, to the Lindens and to all our guests....

Best Regards, Baccara & Fey

PS We did Oz for a gift to SL....There was no support there,
and we once again donated it all... So before you blanketly criticize, remember we HAVE done this before with NO DWELL, NO PROFIT & NO SUPPORT

(edited for Spelling)

Eerk. IM me in world. Don't let all those sweet prims go to waste I have scripts which will record the location of your prims and let you rebuild / re-use at a later date.

If you truly wish other people to build upon your ideas, how about donating the buildings and what not?

At the very least, lets find a way to keep this stuff so it can be reused at a later date, even if for a neverland type project.

Baccara,

You remain always eloquent, even in the face of undue and often petty criticism. The entire team at Spellbound has given a wonderful gift to all of us, and the vocal minority can't touch what you have done. Siggy said it best when he said it could be raining silver dollars and someone would complain that they were hit by one. Adam's heart was in the right place with this thread - it is hard to see something so incredible go away - I wish I still had the chance to go back to the Oz exhibit again, but I also know that the longer term gift you guys have given SL is a renewed spirit of giving and boundless creativity, something that seems to have been lost in the influx of greed and derivativeness in the name of the almighty dwell. I know I have already said it to you, but I will say it again: thank you to all of you.

I dont think anyone in this thread has criticized Spellbound, the Lindens, or Neverland.... lets not read to much into the petition and responses of this thread.
I dont think anyone said anything about not working hard or it not being a good project...

Well apart from the usual sour grapes comments from some people, I agree that it shouldn't just be left to flounder. Someone on page 1, sorry I can't remember who, suggested preserving the builds and bringing them to life again in 12 months time. I think that's an excellent idea and hope that happens.

I really love Olde London and Neverland and it would be sad to think that it had gone forever.

Latonia

I love Olde London, what a wonderful job the Spellbound team has done once again!

In the spirit of using ideas that have come out of the Neverland experience, I'd like to propose something that will continue in what I loved about the creation of a virtual London city. The creation of a new city that can be inhabited, brought and kept living. I know Olde London is just a set, but I would like to see the town kept on in a new project, a true city region.

What would be needed are 4 simulator servers, with the city taking up 65536 sqm of space centered around the 4-corners region of those servers(where they all meet). This would allow the city to utilize 4 simulators worth of CPU power, and would allow the city to utilize 3-3.5 sims worth of prims (the other 0.5-1 sims worth of prims would go for forest, roads, countryside stuff in the remaining land).

London, Manhattan, San Francisco or an amalgam of major cities could be recreated, not only for looks, but could really be setup to be a living city. Skyscrapers that rented out floors, storefronts with actual shops, under-city sewars, a Town Hall, etc. Something like this would continue on as it would serve as the catalyst for the people who inhabit the town to fill it with new and interesting things. The town would be self-sustaining through rental of primspace by the residents, dwell, and other forms of income. (i.e. the group would have to pay nothing, with all L$ income converted on GOM to US$ to pay for the 4 sims tier)

I'd like to work with a group of people to bring something like this about. I've worked on a similiar idea with my MegaTower project, to provide sustainable, profitable, and usable structures in SL. I'm not the best builder in the world, and certainly not an artist or architect, but I love scripting and working on big projects. I'd love to see many of the talents in SL (builders, artists, scripters, organizers, players, etc) come together to create a new city in the spirit of Olde London so that we can provide a sustainable, true city in SL.

blah nevermind.. had a big long post, but changed my mind...

Hey Im really glad Neverland is warmly recieved, and everyone on the project worked hard and kicked ass...

But Im not sure if a third party soliciting a petition to keep a project open because they like it a lot is really a great idea....

It's like... "Hey I really like that car you rented, yeah your insurance is paying for it right now, but hell Im making a petition that says you should keep it!"

hehe

Thanks for the warm thoughts about the project, but lets let the durration of the event be decided by the Lindens and the Spellbound officers

thanks

(re-edited after reading the WHOLE thread)