SL Suffering at the Hands of TSO's Problem Players?

As the author of the little bit of humor that seems to have your panties all in a bunch, I suggest that you look back at the thread, and take note that just a few posts before I posted the little diddy that seems to concern you so much, you'll see that I admitted to having spent quite a bit of time in TSO myself.

I too, was seriously addicted to TSO for a while, ran one of the top Romance houses in JP for a very long time, made some very dear and wonderful friends there (in both JP and AV), very much enjoyed my time with TSO, but now have abosolutely no regrets about making the move to SL.

All I was trying to do was interject a little humor into the discussion, and if really bothers you so much that you feel compelled to go on and on expressing your hurt feelings, then I apologize for upsetting you so.

- Ace

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A friend of mine made me try The Sims Online, I participated one night and got fustrated with all the childish behavior and chat.

The same friend tried talking me in to Second Life for over a year, I refused to try. His track record dragging me into online worlds is bad. I must say Second Life is pretty cool so far though.

I never once refered to you as THAT. Lets not get carried away you putz.

As a TSO refugee, I wasn't especially offended by the joke. If there were a serious proposition that TSO players are less intelligent that SL players, I might roll my eyes over it, but I don't think anybody seriously believes that. True, SL does attract a larger number of more technically sophisticated people, but being a code monkey is a highly specific aptitude, not a valid test of overall intellegence.

As for the ill-will over one particular refugee, well... maybe it's time for both sides to take it down a few notches and focus more on the game and less on taking potshots at each other. I'll do my part by not grinding my teeth every time it's implied that socialism is a tool of Satan.

Ok, I'm new to the boards and new to SL.. Should I be afraid to say I'm from TSO? I just cancelled my account there, matter of fact I still have a week or so before it runs out, and had played TSO since beta... I came here cause I have a couple of friends who play and wanted to try something different.. Cause as most who have played TSO, knows it's boring as heck and the only reason most stay is for friends *which was my case*.. I wasn't a troublemaker or a drama freak.. I just played the game.. I met some wonderful people there and hope to do the same here.. I'm just here to have fun, play the game, meet some great people, and learn how to do things here as I'm still totally lost, lol..

I say this cause I really wasn't sure where this thread was going, if it was just one person, a group of people, or anyone from TSO that are categorized possible problem players of SL.. I just wanted to let ya know that some people that come from TSO are just trying new things and ventures, like me.. Exploring new games and hoping they'll love it as much as everyone else!

Ok, if I didn't make sense, overlook me I'm new, lol

Welcome to SL Kaley..

Shadow

If a woman friend of mine makes a joke that makes all women out to be idiots, or of lower intelligence than men, even though she is a woman, (and may feel this justifies her telling the joke) I will likely say it isn't funny.

It shouldn't be the degree to which I am offended that causes you to apologize. My reaction should have little to do with it. One should apologize only when one feels one has done something worth apologizing for. Either you feel that way or you don't.

BTW, it is never anger that gets my panties in a bunch. And if you ran a romance house in JP, it is likely that I knew you there, if it was one that had fun events. I looooved Caligula's house in JP. His confessional booth and truth or dare games were a riot.

I love humour: just not when it is clearly at the expense of others.

Is a lot of people in SL from TSO .. I think the original poster only meant to shed light on some infamous personas from TSO that have come to SL and continue cuase problems.

I dont think being from TSO or any other online game .. or no online game .. is any reason for concern. People should be accepted for who they are , not what online world they previously resided in. ^^

TSO, TSO....

Reading this thread, I kicked back and listened to music played by the Trans-Siberian Orchestra, the Toronto Symphony Orchestra, the Tasmanian Symphony Orchestra, the Tupelo Symphony Orchestra, and the Tucson Symphony Orchestra, and popped the top on a General Tso beer.

Didn't make it go down any better.

Thank you Shadow

Okie Colette, ty! I think there's alot from TSO, I dunno, lol.. I know 2 people from TSO that's here, maybe more if anyone was from IH, hehe!

Am I the only one who saw the original post as a valid question regarding SL inheriting problem players from other MMO's, and NOT as a blanket labeling of TSO players? Sheesh.

My house was Dungeon of Desire, and my name in JP was VSincere.

- Ace

(In Response to Chip's question about how others took the intent of the post)
The post was asking about the practice of banning 'problem players' from one particular game. Problem players can fairly be said to come from many games, or maybe even playing SL as their first game. TSO, at least, was not an inherently violent game. Why pick out players from that particular game instead of one of the myriad first person shooters or war games? I have been attacked with weapons before in SL and laughed it off, (after I banned said attackers) because they clearly were playing a different game than I. I've been shot with a cannon just for landing in my flying pig on what seemed to be an empty island. That person also was clearly playing a different game than I. Why pick on TSO? Is TSO the only game with 'problem players'? Since this is unlikely, it seemed that the poster had particular folks in mind at the start of the post.

I think that people must be judged on their applicable and current behaviours; one shouldn't be judged on the basis of rumour or conjecture.

As for the post not being a general blanket of anti-tso sentiment, it may not have started that way, but that is surely how it went in places. While the post may have asked a valid question, it would have been more productive to ask the question "should problem players of other MMOGs be banned in SL as well" instead of specifically singling out TSO.

Well said Persephone, and I agree with you completely. I just think people chose to look at it in the worst possible way when the original post didn't have anything to do with generalizations.

What does it matter whether sociopathy is imported or home-grown? Until we can convince "problem players" to wear scarlet letters on their avatars, there's not a lot that can be done. Companies don't share lists of people who have been disciplined, and reports from other players (who often have their own agendas) are useless.

Maybe some groups and individuals should be monitored by the company, but in general, unless they're actively causing trouble in SL, no action is needed.

In the meantime, not everybody is going to draw the logical distinction between "some troublemakers come from TSO" and "people from TSO are troublemakers". I think it's valid to reinforce that distinction.

I don't know. Frankly, I don't know how my comment put you in the mind of this. I didn't take Ulrika's original question as a blanket condemnation of anyone, but rather an interesting question of "cross-MMO" behavioral enforcement. My comment was meant to reflect on certain posts that seemed very off-point.

My feeling? Anyone who comes to SL gets a fresh start. 'Tis the way the beast is advertised to us, after all, and I'm all for truth-in-advertising. If they cause trouble, suspend and/or ban them. To me, it's a simple issue with a simple solution.

Those are rare.

It wasn't your post specifically, Seth... more the aggregate effect of the thread, and I completely agree that everyone should have the opportunity to make a fresh start, though I wouldn't blame MMO developers if they shared CC numbers of hackers, exploiters, or really serious griefers.

WHY did people get the idea that this was a slam to TSO players?

Well, for one thing, as someone carefully outlined above, the topic was problem players from TSO as opposed to problem players from any online game out there, all of them.

For another, Ulrika answered herself why she started the thread when she said:

"I have no stance. I created it as a vehicle to increase the pressure on PN during the 'shunning'. knowing that he and his cabal couldn't help but throw themselves into it."

So you still want to maintain that I am stretching if I see any reason whatsoever to be insulted by this thread?

coco

I am the lynchpin of worlds.

I've seen the lynching!

Do I have to explain the difference between individual "problem players" and "all TSO players"?



PN = an individual, not a generalized group.

So this is the new vehicle to skirt the TOS prohibitions on starting threads about one individual, with their name in the title or in a poll?

BTW if I have a "cabaL' it has like 2.5 people in it lol.