SL Suffering at the Hands of TSO's Problem Players?

Is SL suffering at the hands of a recent influx of TSO's biggest problem players? Are bad habits picked up in TSO and other MMOGs affecting the quality of our world? Should people on TSO ban lists be banned here too?

~Ulrika~

Not that I've noticed. Seems like business as usual. All the new folks I've met recently have been very nice. Well..almost all. Nothing unusual that I've seen.

I've met a few folks who migrated from TSO and, for the mostpart, they seem like good people. However, it seems that we may have inherited one of TSO's more vocal members.

That you did. Being vocal, however, doesn't equate to not being good people.

coco

Coco..... that response wasn't about you. It was about 'the one' and we all know which one I speak of.

Every other person who I know came from TSO has been a pleasure.

Ok, then, lol - make that TWO vocal players.

coco

OK.. two then.

I'd still put you in the 'pleasant' category, though.

So, how about pleasantly vocal?

I can live with that!

coco

I'm with Juro. You seem like a nice person, Coco. Even when we disagree completely, debating something with you always results in actual give and take which is the whole point of debate. When someone is completely unyielding and unwilling to show any desire to build consensus or common ground it's a different story. I don't see you that way at all. You're more civil than me I think, and I'm going to endeavor to be a lot less snarky.

I hate to classify anybody as a "problem player." I think that everybody should be given a chance to start fresh and live up to whatever potential goals he/she decides to pursue in SL. Whenever I discipline my kids for misbehaving, I try to make the distinction that their actions are bad, but they're not "bad kids," and also that a mistake isn't necessarily a bad thing if they learn from it.

Every day is a fresh chance to be whatever you want; it's all up to you and how you decide to comport yourself.

I don't know, but we've picked up strays from other worlds in the past and we've weathered okay.


Well, forum culture definitely has suffered from this kind of thing over the past year or so. In fact, I could tell you exactly when these forums shifted from 99% positive to their current state of 50-60% negative, and which other world exodus was the cause. In the interest of not starting the sling of arguments that would inevitably result from it, I've kept quiet on the subject, and I think I'll continue to do so.

In-world culture, however, has managed to remain the same. It's not as closely knit as it used to be since the world is sooo much bigger now, but as far as friendliness, maturity, and courtesy go, SL is still the shining beacon of the internet. What few "problem players" enter usually either change their ways or move on once they discover a world full of people who are as unusually friendly as SL'ers are.


If they cause problems here too, then of course. Until and unless that happens though, they should be treated just like anyone else. None of us can know by what evidence these people were "convicted", and whether or not they each deserve their punishment. Until their behavior has been allowed to present here, we have no way of really judging their character for ourselves. We should never fall into the trap of simply taking the accuser's word for it.

Ok, this is just as bad as prok's insipid postings.

First people tried to be Anti-Therians... then it was Anti-SA Goons... now it's Anti-TSO.

The Sims Online... is it upon us?

Stop painting broad pictures of entire groups of essentially unrelated people. Take into account the individual, and base your assumptions UPON THAT INDIVIDUAL.

Just becuase I'm an ass doesn't mean that everyone that lives in Grignano is an ass too.

LF

Is SL suffering at the hands of Lordfly Digeridoo? Are bad habits picked up in by Lordfly affecting SL? Should people with "doo" in their last name be banned from SL?

~Ulrika~

Probably, but there haven't been enough abuse reports filed.

LF

I think whenever someone comes from another environment, there is a natural tendency to want what they loved about their previous place to be part of the new environment. When we had the surge of There players, how many posts where there screaming for voice chat, try before buy, and buggy racing?

The players from TSO are really no different, except that unlike There players, they are not used to having to pay for anything that they could not gnome to pay for. There is much more like SL than TSO is in many fundamental ways, so I imagine the transition is even harder. We have attracted its mafias, and apparently, it's most arduous critic, but we have also inherited many wonderful people. So quit trying to ban Barnesworth Anubis!

oh, you can ban Barnes, as long as you leave me my adirondacks chairs!

OMG no... if we did that, then where on earth would we get our underwear shots from?

How about we discuss the difference between TSO and SL?

Aside from forum blather, are there SL-style griefers in TSO? What form do they take?

I dont see the relevance of this thread at all. I left TSO over a year ago and have never had any desire to go back.
Maybe the thread is just trying to make more labels or maybe just advertisements for someones new island, who knows? I sure dont know

What sort of problems do TSO players cause? I was a TSO Founder back in beta and I really enjoyed it while I was there. I knew about SL long before I could actually sign up due to being on dialup with sub-par PC. But once I got here, I never really looked back. I missed some of the people I knew but I had no trouble adapting to the open end, no mandate environment of SL.

I was rather surprised to see a vote proposal to make us have to eat and sleep and stuff to be robust. That is amazingly silly for SL and if it is really a requirement for fun, then TSO should be a part of the lives of those that want it. Its not good for SL at all.

Other than some ranting on the forums from some people that just happen to be former TSO players, how are these issues manifested in world? Life in the forums and in world are very different. There are many vocal posters here that have never played TSO, so what is the real issue?

I left TSO nearly 18 months ago, back when their own forums went to hell in a handbasket.

As for the groupings and tarring/brushes/etc:

My Blog on this topic

(And to think I did this back in January! Some things change less than one thinks)


- Newfie

hahaha.. look up Evangeline Merril in the AV HERALD (now second life herald) Sort of an interesting character.

Just for the record, I came with Toast Bard from TSO. Then we kidnapped Barnesworth. We've completely assimilated. TSO blows. It was/is a chatroom. The three of us were completely frustrated so the building tools and creative possibilities here were a huge draw. Now all 3 of us are hooked an we have met other like minded mental cases. Yeah, you know who you are.

*sniff* Ahhh.... don't you just love the smell of freshly-minted FIC?

TSO had limited avenues for griefers, but it spawned whole organizations devoted to exploiting every potential for grief to the utmost. I'm not going to remark on details, because some of them would be adaptable to SL, but it was more than sufficient to drive some good players out of the game.

If known TSO troublemakers migrate to SL, my advice to the in-game staff is to watch them like hawks and cut them down with no mercy at the first sign of trouble. Some of these characters aren't just malicious, they're that peculiar brand of malicious that sees nothing wrong with maliciousness, is archly amused at the chaos their malice engenders, and are organized enough and nasty enough to stagnate the growth of your game/world just for "fun". Let them know fast that we don't need or want that here.

I am most emphatically NOT talking about anybody in the forums. Even if I disagree with them, vehemently (the future of humanity depends largely on opposing free-market extremists), upsetting the complacency of a discussion forum doesn't compare to any degree with the seething ugliness that I've seen unleashed on innocents in other worlds.

MENTAL CASE