SL Suffering at the Hands of TSO's Problem Players?

Is SL Suffering at the hands of TSO's Problem players?

No.

Are the SL Forums suffering at the hands of assholes?

Yes.

I was in TSO for over a year, I liked it while I was there but I outgrew it around the time people began paying people rediculous amounts to stay on their crappy lots. I wasn't a griefer I wasn't anyone important and I embraced SL wholeheartedly over a year ago and am still in love with it. TSO the joy was gone after 6 months tops I just stayed cause that was where my friends were. I don't want SL to ever become TSO. I never ever want to see a gnome or a pizza machine again. I either sell my content or GOM my money and I don't mind doing it that way. hell I could live off just my stipend if I wanted to the $500 a week is plenty. the only people I notice wanting SL to provide them a "job" is people who aren't premium. You paid $10 a month on TSO and got land and no stipend in SL your $10 a month gets you $500 a week and a piece of land to call home. the $9.95 lifetime in SL doesn't mean SL should kiss your tush and hand you stuff on a silver platter. I don't get that. I have paid premium my entire year in Sl and never complained or felt I was entitled to anything. I'm not a land baron or a content baron or FIC or any other label people want to stick on you. I don't play Tringo. I don't leech off money balls, and I have plenty of money and fun in SL. I'm an ex TSO player yes and i have never looked back. Life is a hell of a lot more fun as Maeve Morgan than it ever was as Maevana

It's funny that people are now being attacked on the basis of their "ethnic origins," i.e. I'm a TSO refugee, and proud of it.

I recently passed the six month mark in SL so I added "New Continent Pioneer" to my SL profile along with TSO Refugee, because at some point, sure, you leave Ellis Island, you move out of the tenement, you head Westward-ho

I am not banned from TSO. This is one of those ravings that Nolan has spread crazily everywhere but again, I am not, repeat, not banned in TSO. Look me up there under the name Dyerbrook, my main account. And none of my alts are banned, either. I am a member in good standing and always have been.

Like 50 percent of the red-blooded people in the population there -- or more -- I once had a 3-day game ban for the equivalent of "swearing in PG" -- ALL of TSO is like that, not like only SOME of SL, so it is *extemely easy*. And it was typical in that it was merely an enemy's set up. Some member of the Sim Shadow Government came up to me while I was semi-AFK in the other window and started the 'proposal' action to 'marry me'. I clicked 'yes' on him by mistake when I thought it was my job object prompting me or the time-out warning or something. All of a sudden, I found myself married to this horrible fucktard. So a little while later, when the no. 2 SSG evil quantity attacked me in my home, I said something about "that evil fuck" who had married me against my will while I absentmindedly clicked on him, and he promptly AR'd me. *Within seconds* the liaison informed me I was banned with the complete transcript of my convo -- absolutely lightning record speed for processing of a ban in this company that would normally take days. It was then I understood the SSG had infiltrated the liaision system and had people "working on the inside" they could collude with the harass other players. I screenshotted and reported the whole thing. A 3-day ban in a more than 2 year career in a game in good standing is not a serious matter -- most people of that length of stay had at least one silly ban like that.

And what of TSO vs. SL? Sure, they're different, but it's an interesting thing for the SL community to hear how TSO players view the SL experience and the way they believe it should grow. If SL is supposed to be about players' building the world and creating the content...can't it also be about people from other games with other expectations adding the content in that direction, too? Or can the world and the content *only* be the way the pioneers envisioned it??

An ex-friend from TSO even has a nasty vile profile all about me (explaining his negs) complaining that I was the *only one* from the little clique called SimArts that came from TSO who "didn't adapt" to SL when the clique came here and got swooped up by an SL clique. It's a silly and ulta-conservative slam, the kind of thing a tiny provincial mind continues to yammer to itself when everybody gets to the big city LOL.

But...what actually happened is that I just didn't adapt to an SL clique lol...or follow the dictates of an old TSO clique LOL. People in smug, closeknit cliques tend to think they are "the world" or "the community" and if someone doesn't stay with them they have "fallen behind" or "fallen from favor" or "failed to adapt". The fact is, I found my own game, my own things to do, my own friends, separate from their networks, which mainly involved an elaborate apprenticing system to hook themselves up with the top architects in SL (they had been the top architects in TSO). They were big fish in the tiny pond of TSO...they were tiny fish in the big pond of SL and wanted to get to be bigger fast, so they hooked up to the big fish....who are indeed big fish in a rapidly-changing game that is simply growing around them and making their former big pond a puddle...

I wasn't a "top architect" in TSO but a builder of creative lots and convening of creative groups, which is different, and I've gone on to do similar things here, which make me happy.

I don't feel I need to "adapt" to a game that has severe over-tekkified flaws when the self-proclaimed message of the game's CEO is that he wants to grow the game to a million, and when I was free to come in and buy a subscription without first proving a MENSA membership or a membership in something like the Society for Computer Professionals.

SimArtians have complained bitterly that I raise sharp critiques of the FIC, etc. and that I bitch about the limitations and flaws of the land tools, telling me witheringly that maybe I should "stop blaming the failure of my business model" or some such tripe on the SL land tools. But I didn't fail. And the Lindens are redoing the landtools. So...*shrugs* whatever.

With posts like these, designed to be cleverly skirting all those other adhominem posts that either blaze manipulatively pulled (like his infamous "Prok is Right: SL is a Dog's Breakfast" when I had *never said* SL was a dog's breakfast ever) or that scores of others have pulled using my name, the burning at the stake is evidently about to begin.

I think it's tasteless and unproductive. You can engage with a person's ideas and their fresh perspective or not. You don't need to get all sorts of fake indignation going about TSO players and subject them all now to prejudicial treatment just because you didn't like me.

Wait, isn't that what the forums were intended for... never mind.

Of course you would say that....your the cute lil ring leader

dang found out hehehe

My knowledge is that the worst griefers of TSO came here some time ago - about a year ago, I think it was - and they have been behaving ever since.

I have never been banned from anything. I have never been suspended from anything. I am not a problem player. I am the opposite of a problem player. Prok was never banned, and only received that one suspension that I know of. He was not a problem player either.

It may be very facile to write off my criticisms of what this game needs with some simple-minded equation of people who have played TSO as people who must mindlessly pound gnomes. This game needs more game in it, if they want to grow it; that is my considered opinion, and that is all there is to it. I would think that whether or not I had ever played TSO, or Anarchy Online, or Rose, or ATITD, or any other game out there.

A thread about how players from TSO are ruining SL is just nifty, isn't it? And you did this before with the "There" players? Terrific.

coco

P.S. Cristiano, I have been here only two months, and I have heard people screaming for "try before buy" (it's on the list to vote on), and plenty wishing for better vehicle action. Are the people screaming for those things still "they", i.e., the There players? So, when does one stop being a "they" - to be talked about and dissected on threads such as this - and start being "one of us?" Who exactly is it who is still wanting better vehicle specs and try before buy? Is it us, or is it them? Or can I say "us?" I don't think so. I think I am a "them." Talked about in the third person, as if I weren't in the room.

I would posit that "they" become "us" (that is, what you view as "us" - full-fledged players of SL - right away, as far as the people who own and run SL are concerned. I think they think of all of us as their players, and in the case of premium members, as their continually paying players.

In the case of some of the other players on the forums, though - I think the likelihood is that many of us will always be "they."

Coco,

You could go on taking this thread seriously, or you could see it as just a new way for the lynch mob to come up with a more creative way of lynching to get around the "naming names" ban that has recently been reiterated as a TOS regulation.



Because none of you, and some of your other SL former-TSO clique got the top 3 slots in Johnny Lace's architecture contest?

Because none of you had top lots in DC?

I'm trying to think when the worm turned for Barnes in TSO, and I'm thinking it was probably soon after that Jay-La contest turned up such final results, that made a lot of people, including me, dismayed if not angry.

But...does that gnawing sense remain...what if JL *was right*???

I don't know if "frustrated" is really the accurate way to describe your "plight". I think you all chatted up a storm in TSO and had plenty to chat and gossip about. You all milked the build tools as far as they'd go, as did I. Maybe you didn't milk the character-creation and alt-fun and themed-lots thing as much as I did, but you knew those depths were plummed.

SL actually blowed for some of you the first few weeks and you know it! Let's not rewrite history!

The turning point was when you got apprenticed into the FIC, then lived happily ever after.

Actually, Prok, I take it all very seriously. This is the worst stuff - not this thread, but the whole of them lumped together, all the ones, you know which ones I mean - I've ever witnessed online.

Makes the AV HERALD LOOK DAMN GOOD!

So you know it's awful.

Now, after wasting most of the day on this, I really don't feel like dealing with forum people anymore on this lynch mob stuff. Whether it's you, or whether it's me, for speaking up for you, who's getting lynched. You know what they say, never wrestle with a pig. The pig and you both get dirty, and the pig likes it.

I think it's time - already! - for me to "take a vacation" from the boards, as I did maybe 2-3 times in TSO, just to get a break and some distance, and for much less serious reasons than are going on here.

I'm sure there are a whole lot more people in the game to enjoy playing with than the lynch mob here. It's evident to me that the lynch mob here is NEVER going to see how very, very wrong this is. And they are gonna own the boards. I'd best hie myself off with the other timid souls, and that way, maybe at least I can save the game for myself. I can't save any of this - it's disillusioned and embittered me quicker than anything else in my life ever has, and not much ever has in the first place.

Truth is, they'll be glad to see me go. The easier to cart you off to the ovens.

your friend,

coco

I had a long and detailed reply ready for this thread, but alas, I had to green.

The only players I know personally from TSO, are a hideous bunch of scamming wasters, with the collective morals and IQ of a grape.... you might remember a LOL OMGWTFBBQ!!!ONEONE thread they came and hijacked... lol...

But the, you can't tar them all with the same brush can you?

Bull poopy!!!

I did TSO for about a year and a half. I had lots of friends in TSO, and nobody that I knew ever got banned.

I think you must run with the wrong crowd. Didn't your mommy teach you that you are often judged by the friends you keep?

- Ace

Same with me.

Unfortunately,when Prok made the move to SL from TSO, he lowered the average IQ of both worlds.

- Ace

Echoed cept I left right after it went Live a month later in Jan 2003 for here. I tried to get a few friends to follow me and haven't looked back since on those that I left behind. So in Echoing Loki's post does it mean that I have a TSO mentality..am I considered one of the TSO griefers? I think not because the time I spent in TSO pales in comparrison to the amount of time spent here in SL.

Shadow.

Giggle! I had to think about that. Funny funny!

~Ulrika~

Hmm...

1. Small, elite group out to control the masses: check.
2. Closed ranks aimed at shutting out and crushing new players: check.
3. Infiltration of same group within development/customer service teams: check.

A pattern emerges.

And it's listed in the psychiatrists' diagnostic manual under paranoid schizophrenia.

Ex-TSO players are my best customers. One thing that SL lacks that TSO offers is built in interactions. You can kiss someone, cuddle, hug, kick, dance do silly insults and all.

Most TSO players who come to my shop(s) end up being life long customers because thats one aspect of TSO many people miss.

Whats worse than TSO Mafia is SL greedy business people who use every post of they can on the forum as a chance to advertise a business no one really cares about.


Ok, I will now go back to trolling.

If SL is suffering - it suffers from us!

Heh.. this makes me think of another thread idea:

"Is SL suffering at the hands of new users?"

There was no such thread, and you're mischaracterizing this thread as is your habit. This is about individual problem people who get kicked out of one world and continue their grief in another. This is not a generalization about TSO people. Back to your trolling already I see.

Yes I did place. Frustrated because the building tools were so basic.




Striving to have a "top lot" was for dummies, in my opinion. I could care less about that.



Probably when it finally sunk in that custom content was never going to happen in TSO. And when we saw what people were making in SL and we were blown away.

I vote we group all of the TSO expatriates into an "untouchable" caste. Unclean! Unclean!