Luna -- on its way out?

I understand there is a furious debate about zoning. So I would say, don't amp up that fury by granting a zoned status to only this one sim in Luna -- and with double prims to boot. You don't have to be a member of the inner feted elite to GET this sim -- but if the Lindens turn such a tasty morsel over to you, you are then automatically inducted into the inner feted elite with your zoned status and double prims that few other have.

Instead, if the Lindens grant a zoning privilege, they should release a variety of zoned sims at once, for example sims specifically zoned to be clubs, possibly on faster servers? And sims specifically zoned to be residential, tagged as such.

I understand what drives people to beg for zoning, because huge clubs and malls, especially now that some malls have Tringo, drag sims to a standstill, where you are playing a slide-show from your 1960s science class, instead of a streaming online game in 2005. I'm fully away of this. But I'll tell you something: you can buy a whole sim and resell properties in a residential community, as I have done, and hope for the best and even get the best, as we've been lucky to keep Ravenglass residential, but right next door on the four other sims adjoining your sim, you have those wildcards of clubs and malls and huge ugly towers and builds of questionable taste and all the rest. It's never enough. You'd have to own five sims...and the five beyond that...and beyond that....

Time and again I've seen people forced to pick up and move due to lagging clubs, ugly builds, people intent on lagging sims to a halt with shooting games or scripted objects. It's total lack of consideration of neighbours. And I think if the Lindens make something called "a residential sim" and build into the requirement that no structure could be over 3 storeys or something, that they will merely have a policing job on their hands. What might make more sense is to zone sims specifically for clubs, give them faster more capacious servers, and tell people to build clubs there, thereby letting the clubs stampede to those as a positive attraction, leaving other sims available for residential. What do you think?

Edit: Okay Prokofy, I should start reading more carefully before jumpting to conslusions. After reading a couple of other posts by you in regards to zoning in other threads it seems your position has become a lot more moderate, and I'm not that far off from agreeing with you in certain respects. Sooooo, my apologies for being flippant. If you'd drop the "feted inner elite" crap I and other people would probably start examining your posts with more open minds. Whenever I encounter that tired phrase in your posts my eyes roll back in my head and I stop listening.

Zoned sims have been tried in the past and there wasn't enough interest to keep them going. They always disintegrated and became vacant. I definitely think LL should start offering a few zoned sims, but on a small scale. If there's sufficient interest then they can add more. The existing sims should maintain the same rules they have now. You can't retroactively impose any kind of zoning on people.

But seriously, enough with the feted elite crap. It only makes people ignore any valid points you might be making.

Ohh, how about piroshkys with inner feta'd core.

We can call them Prokofy Piroshkys

Hey guys, remember Lindenburg?

Just barely.

Or you change the physics so unattached objects fall after 1-2m and hard code a limit of about 30-40m high, flat out any non-avatar object placed above that falls to 30-40m. There's alot things you could do to police this from an automated standpoint.

Ugh. And uh. I meant to type uh, but ugh worked too.

I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or if you really think this is some sort of De-feated InterCorpse experiment or whatever.

I want to see if zoning works in a decent sim (not Boardman, not De haro). I want sensible planning. I want some sort of government-enforced rules in the sim (linden or otherwise).

I'm sick of seeing clubs ruin neighborhoods. I'm sick of 400-meter tall buildings next to a small newbie's cozy cabin. I'm sick of seeing castles butressing up against skyscrapers against scripting sandboxes.

As a persnickety planner and OCD architect, I desire order. Somewhere, somehow. zoning would help a lot in that regard.

LF

I think I'm too young to remember Lindenburg, but it sounds like a nice place, full of humanity. So full, in fact, that if I'd actually seen it, I'd be tempted to exclaim........

Haney, I think something like this is a good idea. If the Lindens have not yet settled on a way to develop intergrid commerce, why not start with a known location? It would be a great way to see what kinds of things pass back and forth; Anchor stores could keep areas and if permitted "sublet" so that they can contain vendors from others to place vendors in.

Also, the area has a beautiful layout, and a symmetry that lends itself quite readily to the concept of "These stores are from Adult Grid residents, these ones are from Teen Grid residents".

Something like this might just re-invigorate Luna, and make it a bustling center of commerce again; without taking away from the resident-owned malls.

Good idea, Khamon

Hmm, I thought Lindenburg was before you arrived, Lance... but maybe remnants of it were still around in May.

I wonder if any of the SL picture sites have any LB pix.

For those who don't know, Lindenburg was a small town of resident-created stores and homes in Tehama. I believe the land was owned and the town was presided over by Wednesday Grimm, but I may be mistaken.

I'm not so sure it had zoning laws beyond "stay inside your plot" and plots were delineated by streets and maybe fence prims.

It was pretty laggy having so many prims in one place, but it was the first of its kind, and for the grid size at the time, you pretty much had every major merchant represented.

I started in APRIL, GODDAMNIT, APRIL!

Lordfly, I'm actually not being sarcastic. Like so many who read my posts, you seem to be howling in advance, sure that the shoe fits, and wearing it.

Using the hyperbolic expression "feted inner core" which is now entirely shopworn is humorous, of course, but just a forum short-hand at this point. Of course I understand you want to see if zoning works on a decent, fast, mature sim, not a threadbare has-been like Boardman (bah, sour grapes, I lost the auction bah). Yes, I understand that you want some sort of government-enforced rules on the sim, i.e. Lindens to put up a sign saying some kind of building code. But you're not alone in this. You seem to think this is some majestically dissenting noble position far from the madding crowd, with the rest of us lumpen just not understanding. But we DO understand.

I'm sick of seeing clubs ruin neighbourhoods, and geez, I pay good money for neighbourhoods. I'm sick of ugly builds even higher than 400-meter buildings next to my residential sim and frankly, cozy cabins are a bit nauseating, too. I'm also tired of seeing all the wierd styles juxtaposed to each other with no breathing room. That's why I bid on Boardman.

Sure, you desire order, and you're among the best architects, if not THE best architect in SL, and I have put my money where my mouth is on this one.

BUT....why does it only get to be YOU, as wonderful as you are, and ONLY A FEW OF YOUR SELECT FRIENDS who get this sim? With double prims? With specialness out the wazoo? With ZONING, a much-coveted status???

Why???? Just because you asked?

Shouldn't more than just a handful of players who yammer enough to the Lindens, with Linden connections, have the benefit of zoning?

My suggestion was that the Lindens release a batch of zoned land so that more people could have a crack at it, not just SL's top architects. A level playing field and all that. All you're focusing is on how to get THIS sim zoned and how to get on it and get at the prims. Why not fight for the same thing for the whole game?

I've noticed that when people do have zoned, governed, feted sims (yes, feted), they tend to shrug and tell you it's no big deal, they don't really have anything that much, hey, it's work, the Lindens don't police it, ack, the FPS is slow, or whatever. But we all know that the dulcet tones of the idle rich speak volumes....those things are what people are willing to sacrifice for -- secure views, secure views, secure views.

I just think it would be possible for the Lindens to organize this pie so it would slice up for just a few more players than the usual hard core inner feted. Imagine if they could put a device in the sim that refused to allow buildings over 2 storeys, just like prims tap out. Or if music could not be played on a sim, barring a club from ever rearing its ugly head. There are a few simple across-the-board devices they could do like that.

Why does it get to be anyone with land in SL?

Because they win the auctions, of course. That's how I got my land in Grignano. That's how everyone got the "coveted" land in the City sims with the double prim limit. It wasn't by lottery, or by buddy-buddying with the linden-of-the-moment. They outbid their fellow citizens. I don't know why you think I'm wanting the lindens to dole out these residential plots to some "deserving" folk. That doesn't work. Never has. That's why the lindens, if they do a lottery, do it at random. Otherwise it's first-come, first-serve.




Rome wasn't built in a day. urban planning didn't happen overnight. Baby steps. A dozen sims is not a "baby step" by any stretch of the imagination.



Yeah but honestly though, who's this inner core? Give me a list. Is it anyone older than 6 months old? A year? 2 years? I know folks that are from beta that are practically hermits; they have less connections than even you, prok. Are they inner corpse fetid shenanigans?

I would hope not.

LF

Lordfly, as long as you mean that the Lindens should take this slagheap and put it up at the auction again, fine, I'm all for that. Then let people get together, plan it out, and make the purchase together.

I thought you were suggesting that you get the sim as is, that you take it over, that the Lindens zone it and give it to you merely because you expressed an interested in reclaiming it.

As for the list of the inner core, well, those who know, know.