Republicans lie again to gain sympathy

It's really sad what some people will do to get others to vote against their best interest.

First it was the "activist judges" then it was the "liberal academics". Now we have judges being killed (coincidence?) and we see David Horowitz for the liar he is.

http://www.insidehighered.com/insider/tattered_poster_child

I'll sure be glad when Republicans get back to fiscal conservatism and stop whining like babies all the damn time.

Sadly, that won't be for a couple of decades. The Republican party is currently approaching the zenith of its power, due to their platform of fear mongering and pandering to the ignorant masses in Jesusland.

Nice we are so smart and they are so stupid mentality. How arrogant of you Neehai.

Just the facts maam.

Not to mention the instructor who was falsely accused by the Republican attack mob is a Republican himself.

David Horowitz lied and even used his lies to accuse liberals of slander. In the end, it was just another lie by Republicans.

Arrogance is lying to people and acting indignant when caught. Revealing the truth is never arrogant. It is simply a fact.

Deceit is one of the few truly bi-partisan attributes. This incident neither props up the Democrats nor demotes the Republicans.

It clears the name of a "liberal academic" and those accused of slander.

This isn't about deceit. This is about a malicious accusation meant to destroy someones career. There is a difference.

Damn Republicans.... I know the Democrats never do anything unethical, why can't they be more like them? Seriously, I don't see the point in arguments like this, it just displays and contributes to bias.

Republicans do their share of whining. But Democrats fall into the "whine" category more often right now (it tends to happen if you lose major elections). And yes, I count insane screaming and rambling as whining too.

The Republicans were never about fiscal conservatism--not in practice anyway. Reagan, Bush Sr., Bush Jr.--these aren't fiscal conservatives. That's the Libertarian party! Repubs have been all about national defense for the past 20 or so years... and that's the biggest money drainer of all. You could probably go back even farther than 20 years and see a similar pattern.

Saying "everyone is unethical" is a bit of a cop out.

I referenced a specific event where Republicans lied about a man in order to stir up shit. When they were challenged they yelled slander.

It was all a big fat lie. Not a little misunderstandment. A big "those questions weren't even on the test" lie.

Democrats are a bunch of elitist who believe their world view is the best and anybody who sees it differently must be dumb, stupid, etc... And I hope they keep up that mentality, because it'll keep them too far away from the Common People and thus keeping them out of power.


Bush: 62,040,606 Million People - 51%
Kerry: 59,028,109 Million People - 48%


62/million people can't be wrong... How U Like Dem Apples?



A Sea of Red with patches of Blue

Cute map.

I would rather be an elitist than a bigot.

More visually accurate maps can be found here. And 62 million people can be wrong. So can 58 million. I'm of the general opinion that desire for public office should be grounds for immediate disqualification, but some think that a radical stance .

I've yet to see a presidental candidate or elected president in my lifetime who wasn't a liar on some signigicant topic and who wasn't largely self-serving, regardless of party. Okay, maybe Carter might have been an exception which is why an idealist will likely never be elected again. And, surprising to hear this from me, but I think his motivations were based in his religious beliefs which unlike some people is not necessarily pernicious - as in more Mother Theresa and less Torquemada.

(note: the "some" people link was chosen at random, I read the header, and have no idea of the merit of the site).

As much respect as I have for the man, President Carter ordered the transportation of armed troops on Red Cross marked planes and vehicles. When advised that to do so was a violation of the laws of war, in fact a war crime, he chose to do it anyway, several times - and then lied about it. President Ford actually has a better record for honesty than any other recent President.

Carter was a good man but not a good President.

It's not just a bit of a cop out. It's a huge cop out. The "well all the other kids are doing it" defense didn't hold water when we were 8 year olds. It certainly shouldn't hold water when talking about adult politicians.

I don't think comment, such as mine, were attempting to justify bad behavior. In my case, it was more of a reaction to the thread title, "Republicans lie again to gain sympathy." It was kind of an ad hominem, don't you think?

Nope. I think it was a pretty accurate assessment of exactly what Horowitz did. I wouldn't have any more sympathy if the story was about the same tactic used by a Democrat. A spade is a spade.

And that justifies the vilification of an entire political party? Let's put the blame where it belongs: On Horowitz and his direct compatriots. If the thread title read, "Horowitz lies again to gain sympathy," we wouldn't be having this discussion.

I'd argue that the Republican party is using these kinds of bogus claims to such an extent these days that the whole party deserves to be smacked upside the head for it.

And the reverse wasn't the case during the Clinton era? Your argument sounds an awful lot like the generalized diatribe expressed by Republican friends toward Democrats back in the early 90's -- before Republicans had a full majority.

Care to cite some specific examples?

Janet Reno, Waco and Ruby Ridge, Hillary-Care...Given time, I'm sure I could come up with more. However, that's not really the point, is it? Getting back to my original point about ad hominem attacks, how in the world can you justify labeling an entire group, comprised of millions of people, as patently predictable liars? I don't at all support Horowitz' actions. However, you aren't making a right out of two wrongs by applying broad brush labels to a diverse group of people. If you were to say, instead, that key leaders within the Republican party appear to be spouting false, anecdotal sound bites in an effort to discredit their political foes, then I would be able to buy into your line of reasoning.

Politicians lie? WTF?!? Damn, now my whole world is collapsing...
Kinda like it did when I heard:

"Read my lips, no new taxes"
or
"I did not have sexual relations with that woman"
or
"There are weapons of Mass Destruction in Iraq"
or
"I voted for it, before I voted against it"
or
"I have no idea how a dead girl ended up in my car at the bottom of a pond, and no I have not been drinking"
or
"Mission Accomplished!"
or
"The U.N. is instituting an Oil for Food program for Iraq"

So true, Xtopherxaos! To elaborate on my previous point, if Chip or Neehai had said "Republican career politicians," we could all go home and sing Kumbaya together.

I spend enough time trying to determine how much of what is said by republicans is a lie. I don't have time to itemize the rest of the party.

Hillary Clinton's healthcare proposal was a bold idea that she was strong enough to put forward that failed. There was no lie in it.

I'm sorry but Republicans continue to support an administration that used this tactic when they were lying about the war, when the President lies about social security, when the people hired to lie about John Kerry (swiftboats people) are now running a smear campaign equating the AARP to troop-hating homosexual lovers. (as if homosexuals are evil)

A Republican congress refused along party lines to9 explain how a non0journalistic prostitute working for a GOP advocacy organization got daily press passes to the White House.

In the name of "bias" this Republican administration used TAX DOLLARS to hire reporters to write propaganda for it's positions. This Republican administration is still using tax dollars to put together fake news.

When I worded the title of this thread, I did so deliberately.

It irritates me that Republican twits demand tolerance, when their entire political party exists today solely based on an abundance of intolerance.

I will be as tolerant of the Republican party as I would be of the National Socialist party. You may think that to be hyperbole, but the similarities are many.