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Is Rating dead now?

Lance LeFay
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Join date: 1 May 2003
Posts: 1,488
01-20-2005 11:26
From: Kathy Yamamoto
Look, I do NOT agree that the ratings I earned up til now -positive OR negative - are devalued becasue of the cost of a rating point.

When someone gave me a point because they appreciated something I did for them, I didn't do the math and say to myself "Look, someone loves me a whole buck's worth!"

I didn’t carry myself any differently before than after the increase. 100 ratings is NOT 100 Lindens worth of ratings. It’s 100 times another person said “Hmmm. That’s a Good Thing.”

I never went to rating parties (except for my unwitting attendance at that neg-rating party in Jessie where I was apparently guest-of-honor), or rated someone to get them to rate me, or even gave someone three points when I was really rating behavior. So, I’m a bit alarmed to hear people say my ratings are now “worth” less. If I wanted my ratings to have a monetary worth, I’d have handed out cash – which, by the way, I have done on occasion!

Maybe people should have been more honest about the ratings they gave out before. I tried to be. But, even if they were not honest, why should MY ratings be devalued?

I’m beginning to wonder if this is a clever way of destroying the rating system completely. Not that I would miss it, but I’d prefer an open, clean axe more than a gradual sabotage. If the Lindens have decided that there be no artificial boost to socialization, then they should send the rating system the same place as the points-for-calling-cards went.

I’d much prefer some sort of tax (yes, we used to have taxes) than to have the rating system monetarized.

Kill the system dead, or leave it alone. I see NO justification for comparing prior ratings to current ones just because the Lindens chose to meddle in the system for their own – UNRELATED – economic purposes.

Kathy, yes, I agree, If your ratings are actually earned, and not whored (not implying yours are), then yes, they are still meaningful.

However when I see a two month old resident with 600+ ratings I have to wonder.
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Kathy Yamamoto
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Posts: 615
01-20-2005 11:50
From: Lance LeFay
Kathy, yes, I agree, If your ratings are actually earned, and not whored (not implying yours are), then yes, they are still meaningful.

However when I see a two month old resident with 600+ ratings I have to wonder.




I understand your misgivings. I'm just saying that no matter how dishonest OTHER people were about their ratings, mine have value as transactional markers more than just purchase value. If someone gave me a flower, I would not ask for a glance at the receipt.

There's no justification in my ratings being mangled because other people have ethical problems. Or because the Lindens are running short of more apropos economic sinks.
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Kathy Yamamoto
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Kathy Yamamoto
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01-20-2005 11:54
Oh, and Lance, could you pretty please take the "the" off that sig quote of mine you use? It really was a typo. The "the" part - not the "thug" part ;-)
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Kathy Yamamoto
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Lance LeFay
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Join date: 1 May 2003
Posts: 1,488
01-20-2005 11:56
From: Kathy Yamamoto
Oh, and Lance, could you pretty please take the "the" off that sig quote of mine you use? It really was a typo. The "the" part - not the "thug" part ;-)

Oh, fine ;P
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Kathy Yamamoto
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Posts: 615
01-20-2005 12:02
From: Lance LeFay
Oh, fine ;P



Thanks :-)

Lance is one of our finest thugs :-)
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Kathy Yamamoto
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Lance LeFay
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01-20-2005 12:05
Squee.
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Simon Oz
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Join date: 26 Dec 2004
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01-20-2005 12:19
From: Kathy Yamamoto
I understand your misgivings. I'm just saying that no matter how dishonest OTHER people were about their ratings, mine have value as transactional markers more than just purchase value. If someone gave me a flower, I would not ask for a glance at the receipt.

There's no justification in my ratings being mangled because other people have ethical problems. Or because the Lindens are running short of more apropos economic sinks.

Mine were whored. Well, sorta. I just showed up places where there seemed to be action, and I'd end up getting ratings and I'd reciprocate. And if I was out of money at the time, people would give me money just to rate. Being new, I wasn't privy to the reality of the situation until the next payday when I ended up with a big hunk of cash because of it. After that I knew something was off balance.. it wasn't just a polite formality, it was cash for some people. I was happy with the L$, but I was also concerned because the barriers to achievement seemed so damned low all of a sudden.

Ethical problems are a great justification for a modification to the rating system. Modifying it so that it works. In theory the rating system is really good; further encouraging end users to create better works in hopes that they would get recognition, and L$. Better content means more new users, which means more RL$ for Linden Labs.

Were the ratings system to stay as it was it would have contined to be, well whatever the hell it had turned into, a career path for some (to paraphrase another poster, Chip I think).

The new change doesn't devalue your rates in particular, but it definately adds more value to future rates. What LL is expessing with the changes (other than trying to keep the economy under control) is that the rating system is supposed to work to rate, and is not a handshake.

In short, if someone gives you a flower, it's a gesture. They don't often directly expect a flower back immediately for some sort of profit. I think that would greatly cheapen the experience.
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