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Cristiano Midnight
Evil Snapshot Baron
Join date: 17 May 2003
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04-20-2005 18:04
Where is this adult grid bursting at the seams with porn? All I ever see is Tringo and pictures of Aimee Weber everywhere.
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Juro Kothari
Like a dog on a bone
Join date: 4 Sep 2003
Posts: 4,418
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04-20-2005 18:07
Yeah, its funny now, just wait till the first family sues LL after their kid was invited over to a main grid players house for lunch, with fava beans and a nice chianti. This scenario is more likely to happen out on the internet, where there are not the safeguards that LL is implementing: no supervising adults, no upload controls and no limited access. Oddly, I would prefer my kids to be in SL teen than just hoppin around the internet willy-nilly. Compared to the internet, it is a controlled environment. _____________________
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Chance Abattoir
Future Rockin' Resmod
Join date: 3 Apr 2004
Posts: 3,898
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04-20-2005 18:08
The program runs the gamut of psychotic sexual fantasies that are a breeding ground for budding pedophiles, psychopaths, and zoophiles. I never thought of using "zoophiles" in reference to "Furries." Thanks for the new term. ![]() _____________________
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Juro Kothari
Like a dog on a bone
Join date: 4 Sep 2003
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04-20-2005 18:09
Actually there probably a whole host more reasons than those two, but I'm not a lawyer, and I think those cover it. I'm sure LL is going to cover thier ass with a modified TOS, to avoid any potential suits. You don't agree - you don't play. _____________________
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Chance Abattoir
Future Rockin' Resmod
Join date: 3 Apr 2004
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04-20-2005 18:11
Wait, wait - I got an inspiration! ![]() OK - Jamie, Anshe, IGE you reading this - and any other business people? I offer a currency exchange for Teen Grid bucks, for L$ bucks - I make it very attractive for the Teen Buck ratio - say 1 Teen buck buys you $1.5 L$, and then I make the Teen Buck customers my marketing-sell-buy agents inside the Teen Grid, bringing Teen players to my WebPage Teener Exchange. Why would i do this - offer "loss-leader" exchange rates, ah, cuase those pesky teens will turn 18 one day and they can convert their Teen bucks to L$ and I've got a customer for life. ![]() I thought the same thing actually, though my thought included giving the FIC access to the Teen Grid on an *cough* instructional *cough* passport. Someone has to educate them, right? ::examines leather bondage paraphernalia:: _____________________
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Juro Kothari
Like a dog on a bone
Join date: 4 Sep 2003
Posts: 4,418
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04-20-2005 18:15
I never thought of using "zoophiles" in reference to "Furries." Thanks for the new term. ![]() That doesn't equate. Zoophile is someone who has a sexual attraction or has sexual contact with animals. Furries are not, most times, sexualized in that manner. That is a common misconception and critique of 'furries'. furry wiki entry _____________________
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Aimee Weber
The one on the right
Join date: 30 Jan 2004
Posts: 4,286
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04-20-2005 18:16
Where is this adult grid bursting at the seams with porn? All I ever see is Tringo and pictures of Aimee Weber everywhere. Are you complaining?!?!_____________________
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Chance Abattoir
Future Rockin' Resmod
Join date: 3 Apr 2004
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04-20-2005 18:18
That doesn't equate. Zoophile is someone who has a sexual attraction or has sexual contact with animals. Furries are not, most times, sexualized in that manner. That is a common misconception and critique of 'furries'. furry wiki entry They aren't sexualized? Then what's all this furry porn I keep seeing on the net.... Wait, and what's the point of having Furries if they aren't going to go at it? _____________________
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Chip Midnight
ate my baby!
Join date: 1 May 2003
Posts: 10,231
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04-20-2005 18:20
Yay! More reactionary fear mongering!
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Juro Kothari
Like a dog on a bone
Join date: 4 Sep 2003
Posts: 4,418
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04-20-2005 18:25
They aren't sexualized? Then what's all this furry porn I keep seeing on the net.... Wait, and what's the point of having Furries if they aren't going to go at it? I said 'most times'. Yes, there are people out there who sexualize it, but most don't. I've met many furries in SL and IRL - and none of them were into the sexual aspect of it. _____________________
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Editorial Hare
Second Life Resident
Join date: 11 Nov 2004
Posts: 116
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04-20-2005 18:29
This scenario is more likely to happen out on the internet, where there are not the safeguards that LL is implementing: no supervising adults, no upload controls and no limited access. Oddly, I would prefer my kids to be in SL teen than just hoppin around the internet willy-nilly. Compared to the internet, it is a controlled environment. Its one thing for children to run into predators and porn on the Internet. Shame on the parents for their lack of supervision. Its another level of negligence for a company that runs an Internet service that caters to and promotes adult sexual and fetish activities to open up a child version. _____________________
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Juro Kothari
Like a dog on a bone
Join date: 4 Sep 2003
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04-20-2005 18:35
Its another level of negligence for a company that runs an Internet service that caters to and promotes adult sexual and fetish activities to open up a child version. Like AOL? LL does not specifically 'cater to' and definately does not 'promote' adult activities. _____________________
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Cristiano Midnight
Evil Snapshot Baron
Join date: 17 May 2003
Posts: 8,616
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04-20-2005 18:36
Are you complaining?!?!Yes, you know I loves me some tringo, but I want porn! _____________________
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Catherine Cotton
Tis Elfin
Join date: 2 Apr 2003
Posts: 3,001
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04-20-2005 18:41
I have many concerns. One more being that the kiddies will be able to contact a linden immediatly on the main grid. So they are on a completly different system not attached to sl yet they can communite immediatly. Things that make me go hmmm.
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Editorial Hare
Second Life Resident
Join date: 11 Nov 2004
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04-20-2005 18:56
Like AOL? LL does not specifically 'cater to' and definately does not 'promote' adult activities. Second Life is, at the moment, limited to and advertised as adult only. There is an entire system in place to promote and advertise adult (M) content in the find directory, including a list of the most popular places to find adult content. _____________________
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Vince Wolfe
HC SVNT DRACONES
Join date: 10 Dec 2004
Posts: 242
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04-20-2005 19:05
Jeff wasn't a pedofile, he was just hungry!!. ![]() |
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Juro Kothari
Like a dog on a bone
Join date: 4 Sep 2003
Posts: 4,418
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04-20-2005 20:56
Second Life is, at the moment, limited to and advertised as adult only. There is an entire system in place to promote and advertise adult (M) content in the find directory, including a list of the most popular places to find adult content. Well, at least LL was off to the right foot in advertising it as 'adults only' unlike AOL, which had little- to no- parental controls until recently (the last few years - I've been on AOL since 1.x). Here, unlike AOL which is just filtering content but on the same system, SL is creating a *separate* world for teens, with emergency hotlines to Lindens on the main grid should the need arise. I'm not pro or con for the teen grid, but I'm not willing to doom it until we find out more and see how it actually runs. _____________________
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Aimee Weber
The one on the right
Join date: 30 Jan 2004
Posts: 4,286
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04-20-2005 21:08
Yes, you know I loves me some tringo, but I want porn! You'll get your Aimee porn in private. ![]() _____________________
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Roberta Dalek
Probably trouble
Join date: 21 Oct 2004
Posts: 1,174
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04-20-2005 21:27
That doesn't equate. Zoophile is someone who has a sexual attraction or has sexual contact with animals. Furries are not, most times, sexualized in that manner. That is a common misconception and critique of 'furries'. furry wiki entry Furries are not zoophiles on the grounds that they are not actually animals. They are anthropomorphic Disney-style portrayals of animals. If people were involved in bestiality with actual animals that would be somewhat different. |
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Editorial Hare
Second Life Resident
Join date: 11 Nov 2004
Posts: 116
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04-20-2005 21:29
Well, at least LL was off to the right foot in advertising it as 'adults only' unlike AOL, which had little- to no- parental controls until recently (the last few years - I've been on AOL since 1.x). Here, unlike AOL which is just filtering content but on the same system, SL is creating a *separate* world for teens, with emergency hotlines to Lindens on the main grid should the need arise. I'm not pro or con for the teen grid, but I'm not willing to doom it until we find out more and see how it actually runs. The right foot they got off on is about to be trampled by the left foot of child endangerment. If they are linking the economies then the teen grid is no more than filtered content. As stated by Philip tonight : Philip Linden: There isn't much additional cost in opening the teen grid, because it is exactly the same code. Philip Linden: So devs are not building teen features, beyond some admin stuff. and also.. Jeska Linden: Ontay Drago: will there be a GOM or IGE in the teen SL, and how will we get them there since we dont want adults in the teen grid? Philip Linden: Our thinking is that money will work the same in teen grid and main grid, Philip Linden: and teens can use GOM same as anyone. Philip Linden: we can secure that transaction path easily.l Philip Linden: We'll approve an account of some kind for the banks in the teen grid. Economic connection is communication, and the more economic activity there is the more intertwined the two systems will be. As official communication will be banned it will drive it even further into unsupervised third-party communication methods. But even beyond that, assuming everyone plays nice and by the rules, the unfettered access to the main grid money supply without any ability for adult players to utilize the same markets will cause currency trauma in my opinion. The teen grid is here, for better or for worse. That is a fact. At least keep the economies separate to minimize the chance of unintentional damage. _____________________
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Juro Kothari
Like a dog on a bone
Join date: 4 Sep 2003
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04-20-2005 23:03
The right foot they got off on is about to be trampled by the left foot of child endangerment. If they are linking the economies then the teen grid is no more than filtered content. As stated by Philip tonight : Philip Linden: There isn't much additional cost in opening the teen grid, because it is exactly the same code. Philip Linden: So devs are not building teen features, beyond some admin stuff. Read it again. It says nothing about the worlds being linked. Philip is talking about the 'cost' of setting up the teen grid. He's right - it's the same code and it will take little time to deploy. A few changes here, a few there... and viola! Teen Grid. What is not mentioned is that we're sharing worlds or there is going to be any open communication lines. Robin clearly stated that there would be NO way to communicate between the grids for us - only for Lindens. and also.. Philip Linden: Our thinking is that money will work the same in teen grid and main grid, Philip Linden: and teens can use GOM same as anyone. Philip Linden: we can secure that transaction path easily.l Philip Linden: We'll approve an account of some kind for the banks in the teen grid. Economic connection is communication, and the more economic activity there is the more intertwined the two systems will be. As official communication will be banned it will drive it even further into unsupervised third-party communication methods. Again, read what he's said: the money will work the same in the teen grid and the main grid. To me, that means the monetary systems will mirror each other in *how* they operate. He does not mention in that comment that they will be intertwined at all. Additionally, he leads us to believe that there will be some sort of 'approval' process for a GOM-like entity. _____________________
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Juro Kothari
Like a dog on a bone
Join date: 4 Sep 2003
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04-20-2005 23:04
Furries are not zoophiles on the grounds that they are not actually animals. Ya.. what Roberta said - which was much more concise than what I said. ![]() _____________________
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