A Serious Question for a Change.

Can I order a babydoll tee in royal blue with the following text:


Are there any good men left IN Second life?


I think that expression is about to become Second Life's version of "Where's the beef?"

I agree 110% with Aimee.

I'd love to wear a customized SL hoodie.

HOODIE!

Hooooooodie.

Im very particular about the fit & quality of tee shirts I buy. If its a 100% cotton Hanes BEEFY Tee, I *know* it will be a nice heavy weight and fit properly. If its anything else, I'd want to try it on first (which in this case is not possible).

I have not seen the tee shirts from cafe express but I did set up a (non-SL) sticker a long time ago and ordered one to test the quality. Unfortunatly, I wasnt happy. My questions would be, what tee are they printing on and have you ordered one to do a quality check?

I'm not trying to be negative, its nice people are getting creative and offering product. I have family that does promotional materials so I have a different perspective than some on the subject. I do wish you great success.

Some catchy tees that I'd like to see, probably with pics:

(and yes, I too am curious about the quality of the materials. I want a really heavyweight tee.)

Feted inner core.

Fetid inner core.

Feted!

Stop to sell babies in boxes!

Got Prim?

Get a Life!


<will edit more in if I think of any>

First to answer Aimee's Question unfortunately no they do not offer dark colors in their product lines however, they do offer the Baby Doll Tshirt in White only. There are others that they offer in light colors such as Blue/Pink/Yellow and Green. They do offere Ringger T's with darker Colors such as the Royal blue and the BaseBall Jerzy in the dark colors with a white center.

The Baby Doll is described as below and had a thickness chart as being just above medium.
5.8 oz. 100% Ultra-fine combed ring spun 1x1 baby rib cotton
Size up for a looser fit
Made in the U.S.A.

For others T-shirts it depends on the manufacturer that they recieved them from.
Their regular Tshirt is as follows:

The most comfortable t-shirt ever! Our 100% cotton, Hanes Authentic Tagless T-Shirt is preshrunk, durable and guaranteed.

6.1 oz. 100% cotton
Standard fit

The Value T-shirt is as follows:

Our durable, high-quality, 100% cotton Hanes Heavyweight is our Value T.
Preshrunk, durable and guaranteed

5.5 oz. 100% cotton
Standard fit

Each product has descriptions and this basic information for an individual to evaulate of their own accord. I know some people like 9.0 oz t's but again this also goes in line with cost more so than it does manufacturing ability.

To further answer your question Misnomer yes each of the Items have been checked for quality not only by me but by Linden Labs and Approved through Robin. Over $150 of the Items were purchased and any of the Items that were unacceptable I would not have offered. However, all were accepted within LL Standards.

In reference to your experience with the stickers and such the often worst answer but more so the most true in situations is you get what you pay for. Stickers and other "Paper" articles depending on weight quality etc. will determine the cost of manufacture. In this case as you noted certain things are of poor quality but are extremely cheap. On the other hand the Higher Quality Papers and Prints reflect that in their cost as well.

Shadow

((edited to add, please note the "Poor Quality" statement was in referenc to the materials used in the stickers only. Not the printing quality on the stickers as their print process is superb. ))

Unhygienix, you brought up a lot of great ideas many of which i have even thought of myself in the past.

The question now is suppose I were to create and use these sayings how would they be percieved?

Would I encounter the same thing I did last year of "thats my Friends and its copyrighted"....see this is where the sticky part of the business comes into play.

The moment I put it for sell if someone decides that they think its their Idea then boom I have two options.

#1 I have to Remove it from the site immediately and blow it off hoping there are no reprecussions which inturn would silence the accuser.

or

#2 Leave it up and await Legal proceedings if they pitch a big enough fit over it. Although proof lies in the accusers hands when it comes to Copyright infringement.

So Again my question is these Catchy Catch Phrases in your opinion how should I go about marketing them if I do decide to use some?

Right now I am safe with merely having the logo as I am Licensed to have it and no one can discredit my business with it. However, its the Customised stuff that gets really sticky.

Shadow.

I chose other, only because I more than likely wouldn't be purchasing clothes with the SL logo or customized. Its just my personal preference...I usually don't wear clothes with other business logo's period. Just not my style

Shad,
I think seriously there would be no issue with the phrases. Sure someone could claim the coinage but unless a tm has been applied/granted for (unlikely) there would not be legal repercussions just more corn poppin.

I understand Lecktor, but in another sense the same questions I asked in reference the "Quotes" would apply to in game pictures. That question was debated before as well but to get a difinitive answer from the populace seems to be like pulling teeth...

Shadow

Yes very true there with the in game picture issue. We saw where that got somebody. I'll be following this to see what you decide to go with as I am very interested. I still see no issue with the phrases except for trivial petty people.

What great points, shadow.

You're entirely correct, in my enthusiasm I forgot about the sticky ugly issue of "Wait, that's my (avatar's) face, you can't use that without my permission!"

The Lindens have been depressingly vague about CS issues relating to inworld snapshots. Perhaps they'd be willing to elaborate on their policies?

Since your commerce activities are taking place outside of Second Life, via a 3rd party website, they do represent a different situation than what has already been brought up.

If you or I sell tshirts outside of SL with a photo of someone's av, their home, their creation, etc, and that person objects, would the lindens get involved?

I would:

-Put in a post in the hotline forums, asking for clarification on how the lindens would treat instances of SL photography popping up outside of Second Life (when there is a dispute)

-Test out the waters by asking friends to vote for tshirt designs that they like the best, and run off enough copies of each one to get a bulk discount. (did you say it was 15?), and sell these, either inworld, or via a 3rd party website like SLExchange or Ebay. I would even recommend putting them in an auction format, like on EBay, and talk them up on the forums. Set your reserve price, or starting bid at whatever it would take for you to break even, and see what happens. You'll get indicators both on how much grumbling or objections there are, and you'll also get an idea of how much interest there is or how much people are willing to pay. Specifically ask your friends and acquaintences NOT to bid on the items just because they know you; only if they would genuinely want the item regardless of who created it. I know that I would be more likely to bid on such an item if it were put out by a friend of mine, because it is a personal momento, but really for the test run, you're probably more concerned with how the larger community would react to your offerings.


I really, REALLY hope that LL would decide to take a hands-off approach to in-world images that pop up on 3rd-party websites. I'm not going to hold my breath though.

Un this is what I have alredy done like the "templates" showed earlier they were an example of what I can do on a Custom. See I can set a custom T up to where only the indvidual interested in it has a link to its access thus making it a "Custom" without the bulk of individuals Critiqing it. For example if you wanted a series of shirst only representative of your pictures in SL I could do those at cost and allow you to purchas of your own accord at your Liesure and you would have a secure link to it unless you wanted a set of friends to have access you would simply keep the link to yourself.

Now if you had a group that you only wanted select people to have access I would work with you on the design of it set up the link and then you could distribute as you saw fit.

I already have the infastructure set in place and access to "Plain" linden logo wear is already available and has been for a year. It's the Idea of Custom apparrel with multiple options that seem to be apparent now.

as per your Idea of bulk I cannot afford to buy bulk however were there 15 people that were willing to pay a set rate in either US or Lindens for a bulk price Item I would be able to produce something cheaply that way.

Anyway I will continue this discussion tomorrow.

Shadow

Voted other, as in "HELL NO"

Also, quote me on this. But anybody who wears a T-Shirt with their VIRTUAL-SELF on it needs to really examine their life.

I don't have any advice for you, just a request:

Don't use the phrase "Got Prim?"

I'm a RL advertising copywriter, and went to ad. school in San Francisco. The agency that created the original Got Milk? campaign were stationed down the street from me in Chinatown. I got to meet with the team behind the campaign, and read the creative briefs and marketing reports on the account, and ffs, everyone who's ever copied that phrase has completely missed the point behind the original strategy.

Of course, the original copying lead to a few good chuckles between advertising grunts over beer at the bar. Now the laughter is gone, and stronger drinks are in order.

In all seriousness, it may have started as a sincere form of flattery, now it's just annoying. And personally, I don't want to see SL associated with a cheesy knock off phrase that was 'cool to copy' a few years ago.

But hey, I'm biased. If advertising was my wife, this would just be one of those pet peeves.

I agree.

Examines life.....
Examines second life................

No, I think I still want a tshirt with pics from my second life on it. Including my avatar. I think it'd be a neat momento of some good times that I had in-game.

Thanks for the advice though, Ryen, and the wonderfully demeaning way that you put it out to me.

Smooches

Can we get permission to get Giant Cube tshirts?

I'd like some custom shirts, to go with the project I'm working on. Other project group members may also want them. I'll be in touch later.

Second Life is one of my favorite hobbies, at the moment. People wear t-shirts with references to their hobbies all the time. Should I only wear plain white button-down shirts or something?

neko

Agree w/Aimee, for what it's worth. Both her ideas I would buy, were they on a T-shirt

Respectfully understood and will be kept out of the repretoir due to its reference to a RL advertising Campaign. Plus as you mentioned it would kinda be tacky to associate SL with something so widely known and heckled.

Shadow

I think it would be a bad idea to use it in marketed items because of intellectual property. You could probably be sued by the Dairy Council for using it.

That's why I suggested it for a guerrilla marketing thing.

I'd personally wear a shirt that used it. Not being an advertising employee, I'm not nearly as sensitive to the current trends of what's "hot" and what's "so five minutes ago"; I suspect that with all things, if you waited 20 years it would be cool again to use, but I want my tshirt now, so I'm not going to wait.


And, yes, I love tackiness.

Well for those that are interested in Personalised Items contact me in game or email me at the addy below. Or even PM

for those saying No or I quote "HELL NO!" I respect your opinions and will not duly force any of it on you.

If you see Ads in the Classifieds or anything to that nature and do not approve you have the right not to look at them.

However, at the same time I have the right to display them to allow those that do have intrest in this to pursue it.

In the intrest of this Thread and its initial inception my questions still stand and for those that are intrested and have said yes to save space on the forums just email me and I can discuss the specifics one on one.

Otherwise I appreciate both Positive and Negative feed back so far and throughly enjoy some of the commentary.

So please Carry on and if you have a question you feel best answered here on the forum I will more than oblige to the best of my ability.

However, I will not embark on anysort of flame war campaign as this is a discussion not a personal debating arena in this particular thread.

If you have personal comments to me that are negative in fashion please PM me I am more than willing to discuss things maturely without the afront of flames.

Again thank you to those that have posted so far and I would love to hear more.

Sincerely, Shadow

SL logo clothes in rl? Do i look like some sort of dork lol

"Originally Posted by Ryen Jade
Voted other, as in "HELL NO"

Also, quote me on this. But anybody who wears a T-Shirt with their VIRTUAL-SELF on it needs to really examine their life."


But it's ok to spend hours, days, weeks, and months in a virtual environment. I see.

Nothing like judging people because of what they wear. I always hated junior high, it's a shame that some folks keep making me relive portions of it.

Hi. Sensitive much?

Who said anything about the time spent in VR? I think the original comment was just that, a comment. An opinion on how people blur the lines between reality and virtual reality, and that one person's opinion (mine too), thinks that it's strange that people would walk around with their "mini me" pasted to their chest.

Hell, I feel the same way about people that bring just a little too much of their RL's into SL. But that's just me. Because I define this 'system' a certain way. I like a solid line between my real life, and this pixelated one. I don't expect people to adhere to my definitions.

As for judging people for what they wear, welcome to modern life! We all do it. Judgements can be positive or negative, but they are going to happen. Judging someone based on how they look is commonplace. The fashion industry would cease to exist if people just stopped caring. That's a fact.

That's all I got for ya. Sorry you feel like you got 'dragged' back to junior high. But if you think that judegements based on appearance ended with graduation, you're mistaken. Maybe opinions were more quiety kept to one's self, but they're still there. Always will be.

Now....

...give me your fucking lunch money.

You know, I'm not even sure if the Dairy people own the rights to that campaign. Probably. But it wouldn't be unheard of for the Ad agency to retain rights to that kind of thing. Never saw legal documents on all that, so I can't say for sure.

But either way. Could they really sue? I mean, with the abundance of copying out there, I think they'd have done something by now.

Of course...... While to ad people, this has been an annoyance, it's also more free advertising! Because honestly, when you see a copy of that campaign, what does your mind jump to? Exactly!

So I think, if the dairy people have any say over this now, they're probably happy that so many people have copied the idea. Get people thinking about milk all the more. Though that can backfire too. God... You should have heard some of the focus groups pre and post campaign, lol.

(They videotape those groups, and as ad. infants, we were tied down (clockwork orange style) and forced to watch those damn things, lol)

Anyway... It's cool. Like I said in the previous post, I'm biased as a worker in the field. I really do feel like they clockwork oranged my ass back then, because I can't even watch tv or read magazines anymore like a normal consumer in the 25-30 male modest income demographic.