PG vs Mature in regards to art

Teh Linden's litmus test for mature-rated art:

"If it makes a young, male of 13 to 14 THINK of sex, it's to be removed from a PG area."

I remember a time when one individual here received an abuse report and WARNING for wearing a short skirt in her own home.

SEX -- it's what your brain cells are craving.

The nipples probably should not have been a problem -- I didn't see them personally, but I'm familiar with the concept. The replies in this thread have been right on-target; a PG region is a place where Residents should be able to enjoy Second Life free from more the libidinous pursuits of Mature regions.

But where to draw the line...that's the big question. Certainly the answer is not 'no nipples'. The Community Standards prohibits nudity, sexual content, and the depiction of sex. The last two are clear enough, but 'nudity' might be a bit broad. Based on Abuse Reports, the community feels that avatar nudity (the kind envolving explicit attachments or skin textures) and sex-act animations are not appropriate in PG areas. There is a bit more disagreement about other textures -- Residents have widely varying opinons as to where the line is drawn between artistic titillation and plain old smut. I can't provide a catch-all answer for that one, but common sense would suggest that Ruben's Three Graces is OK, but screen captures from Debbie Does the Internet belong elsewhere.

We'll make sure that the entire Linden clan gets on the same page about this one. Perhaps we really need to come up with description of PG regions that's better than 'PG'. How about 'Immature'...no, that doesn't work. Any suggestions?

I like the term Restricted Content (RC). This should eliminate the recurring attempts by players to hold the Linden's somehow accountable to the rules of the Motion Picture Association (PG).

I had thoughts on this after seeing some.... debatable pieces in a PG sim.

As I see it, a large part of the problem isn't simply taste in aesthetics, but also visibility and feasibility. If you wish to keep mature, or overtly questionable, content in a PG sim, either by problems with land prices or otherwise, don't make it readily/easily visible to the public. Common sense prevails on what I mean by that.

It's the difference between putting up a 30m x 30m billboard display of two avatars in bed, via Sheet-Cam, and putting something questionable in a private room in your estate that would require advanced camera movements to get there. Adding a disclaimer also helps.

As for drawing the line, I find nudity/partial nudity to be generally okay - so long as explicitly sexual, or sexually provocative, content is hidden. As for violent content, if it belongs in Saving Private Ryan, it doesn't belong in a PG sim. Harsh language is questionable - I find the occasional expletive to be okay, but someone fitting colorful language into every syllable isn't.

Given I don't get offended easily, though, I'm probably not the best at guaging what's appropriate.

I still think this is fairly preposterous, I'm afraid.

I have no idea what ratings are like in the US as film ratings vary from country to country.

However I have found the following about the rating of depictions of breast feeding in Australia:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/2094290.stm

The article states that there was a battle between the advertiser and the regulator on the rating to be given - the dispute was between G and PG! (NB not 18, or R or whatever....)

I understand it is legal to walk around on the streets topless (for females) in some parts of Canada.

However.. I understand that the religious right is on the ascendency in the United States. This means that there is more censorship there than there is elsewhere in the developed world.

As even the term PG varies from culture to culture we *do* need this spelling out. Please spell out what your culture considers to be PG as we have no way of knowing otherwise. Is it really nothing that a fundamentalist Christian wouldn't approve of?

If that actually happened, Lynn the Linden who issued the warning should be SLAPPED. At the very least. Unless of course he/she was kidding around.

The Linden's also have another problem with definitions.

See, here's the catch.

They're American.

But the internet, she's... she's... multi-national.

What *some* Americans feel is offensive, pornographic, sexual -- others simply think of it as another aspect of their persona and are not offended.

So the gist of this definition for PG areas needs to be defined multinationally -- not just for the 'merica's. And probably not defined by the 'merica's.

How about replacing 'PG' with 'Grown up' and 'Mature' with 'Late developing Adolescent'

Thanks Daniel!

Having once been a 14 year old male, I can't remember that there was much of anything that *didn't* make me think of sex.

With age and a refractory period, things have changed slightly; now there are some things that don't make me think of sex.

what art can you put for sale in PG?

Art that has doesn't have privates showing.
So only untill the undies and even then..the undies can't be see-through.

No sexual stuff...the stuff that has to do something with sex.



So what is now left for you to hang on your walls?
nothing special really lol.

My shop is in a PG area (Hibdon)
And i have pictures of AV in undies posing with tats in my shop.
And that's sort of it...

... and remember always to cover the legs of your piano.

PG
Parental Guidance Suggested - Some material may not be suitable for children.

As far as the MPAA is concerned a PG rating dose not mean 'no nudity allowed'.
Most sites I found simply Googling "MPAA Rating" say something along the lines of:


While PG might be a good way of indicating the general idea of an area, the Linden do not define this the same way as a PG movie would be defined.

Secondlife Community Standards:
Indecency
Second Life is an adult community, but Mature material is not necessarily appropriate in all areas (see Global Standards below). Content, communication, or behavior which involves intense strong language or expletives, nudity or sexual content, the depiction of sex or strong violence, or anything else broadly offensive must be contained within private land in areas rated Mature (M).
Names of Residents, objects, places and groups are broadly viewable in Second Life directories and on the Second Life website, and must adhere to PG guidelines.

The Lindens make the decisions, and have set the rules down very clearly, at least as clearly as the phrase "broadly offensive" can get.



Note: As an artist I don't personally agree that non-erotic nude art is ‘mature’, but by signing up I have agreed to adhere to the rules in game.
I think your art is beautiful Stormy (a breastfeeding mother should never be labeled 'indecent') and I wish the rules were different, but they do state nudity cannot be present in PG areas.

However, I feel that if the Lindens are going to treat PG areas (no "broadly offensive" subject matter) like G movies that they might want to consider labeling them so to clear up confusion.


~Traum