www.patriot-paradox.com/archives/036370.php
Article taken from the above website.
Is Comparing Saddam to Hitler and Stalin "Clintonian"?
Somehow I am still getting feedback over my post "Iraq is Better Off"
Here is the feedback:
Update (11/21/03): As I've said before, it is sad (and actually, somewhat scary as well), how so many people who claim to be 'conservative' are playing the liberal cards in order to retrospectively justify this war. From today's post at the "Watcher of Weasels" Council, one can see that, in their voting, this entry (about how the war was justified because the people of Iraq are better off) was one of the winning entries for this week. (Although, it should be said that the "Watcher of Weasels" council is not a group of only conservatives... The majority of those who participate, though, are probably regarded as being from the Right.) The author of that winning entry uses the [previously-discussed] tired Clintonian tactic of making comparisons to Hitler (he actually also mentions Stalin; perhaps he thinks that we with should have gone to war with them too), and actually states: "To say that we should not have liberated Iraq is like saying that we should never have intervened in World War II, and that the Holocaust was ok." Wow. Even most pro-war bloggers don't go that far... I think this may be the first time I've seen someone be this explicit in their use of the aforemention flawed comparisons, and faulty, left-wing logic.
So now I am leftist if I compare Saddam Hussein to Hitler and Stalin? I'm afraid not. Just because Clinton does this doesn't equate my comparing Saddam to Hitler and Stalin to a Clintonian tactic. In fact it is an ignorant attack. I normally don't like calling someone's attacks ignorant, but honestly I'm tired of Saddam Hussein apologist who will not call a spade a spade. Let's look at tactics Saddam used:
First some quotes from Iraqis and others:
"At times, he has actually sent people to execution because he looked in their eyes and decided they were traitors, or that these were people he cannot trust," said Hussain al-Shahristani, Saddam's chief scientific adviser during the 1970s
"They were willing to see their homes demolished to gain their freedom from Saddam's bloody tyranny," Joseph said. "They convinced me that Saddam was a monster the likes of which the world had not seen since Stalin and Hitler. He and his sons are sick sadists. Their tales of slow torture and killing made me ill, such as people put in a huge shredder for plastic products, feet first so they could hear their screams as bodies got chewed up from foot to head.”
Is this guy Clintonian? He went there, he spoke to the Iraqi people. Tell him he is Clintonian.
According to the Iraqi Interim Constitution, Article 22 says, “The dignity of man is safeguarded. It is inadmissible to cause any physical or psychological harm.” However this law is not followed in Iraq. Amnesty International reports, “Political detainees in Iraq are subjected to the most brutal forms of torture. The bodies of many of those executed had evident signs of torture, including the gouging out of the eyes, when returned to their families. The most common methods of physical torture include electric shocks to various parts of the body, pulling out of fingernails, long periods of suspension by the limbs, beating with cables, falaqa (beating on the soles of the feet), cigarette burns on various parts of the body, and piercing of hands with an electric drill. Psychological torture includes threats of bringing in a female relative of the detainee, especially the wife or the mother, and raping her in front of the detainee, threats of arresting and harming other members of the family, mock executions and being kept in solitary confinement for long periods of time.”
Saddam is a monster. There is no if, ands, or buts, about this fact. Look at Indict.org.uk:
The Crime of Aggression
Launched two wars of aggression against Iran and Kuwait; invaded Saudi Arabia and attacked the town of Khafji in January 1991.
War Crimes
Overall responsibility for gross violations of Geneva Convention IV Relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time Of War and Geneva Convention III Relative to the Treatment of Prisoners of War during the war with Iran and the occupation of Kuwait between August 1990 - March 1991.
Overall responsibility for the brutal repression of the Uprising which followed the Gulf War in 1991 including mass executions, torture and wanton destruction.
Crimes Against Humanity
Initiated the deportation of the Fayli Kurds in 1980
Initiated chemical weapons attacks on Iranian troops during the Iran-Iraq War and on Iraq's civilian population in the southern marshes (against the Shi'as and Marsh Arabs) and in northern Iraq (against the Kurds).
Instigated continuing repression of religious and ethnic minorities including forced deportation, disappearances and murder.
Genocide
Initiated the use of brutal military force against the Marsh Arabs of southern Iraq as part of an ongoing campaign against the Shi'as, including the deliberate destruction of the Marsh Arabs' way of life.
Initiated the genocidal Anfal campaigns of 1988 against the Kurds, including chemical weapons attacks, destruction of villages and the rural infrastructure and mass executions.
Torture
Has permitted and encouraged the endemic use of torture, including rape and the threat of rape, by security forces in Iraq.
And an eyewitness report from Indict:
"One of the President's bodyguards brought 30 prisoners out. They were Kurds. The President himself shot them one after another with a Browning pistol. Another 30 prisoners were brought and the process was repeated. SADDAM HUSSEIN was laughing and obviously enjoying himself. There was blood everywhere - it was like an abattoir... Those who were still alive were eventually finished off by the security officers."
Of course I am crazy to compare Saddam to Hitler. He'd never kill his own people with chemical weapons. Heck, he doesn't even have any.
Saddam is known to use chemical weapons against his own people. In 1988 a campaign was waged against the Kurds to quell an insurgency. Chemical weapons were used and resulted in up to five thousand civilian deaths and ten thousand wounded. Saddam’s weapons programs are well known. In 1975 Iraq and France signed a nuclear co-operation agreement. Prime Minister Jacques Chirac saw Iraq as the future leading power in the Middle East and also as the main supplier of oil to the French. South of Baghdad Marines have discovered an underground city beneath al-Tuwaitha. The Marines have so far found fourteen buildings that have high levels of radiation, some too high for human occupation.
And as I have repeated before, I'm not the one to want Saddam to be like Stalin. He is.
Saddam Hussein is a student of Stalin. Mahmoud Osman, who had a meeting with Saddam in 1979, said his office contained only twelve pairs of expensive shoes and a small library of books about Stalin. Another story told about Saddam concerns his love of the movie The Godfather and his belief that the code honor and loyalty presented in it is the code of ethics toward which all humans should aspire. Before he rose to power in 1979 Saddam always had with him a copy of Mein Kampf in his back pocket. Osman describes Saddam best, "When you meet him, you think he's a decent person. He listens very carefully to what you say. Then he picks up your ideas and usually talks in a flexible way. He makes a concession to you … but at the same time, he's thinking of another policy: how to destroy you if you don't follow him."
and Hitler? The only way to realize that Saddam and Hitler are akinned is to look at his life:
Since he had inherited an admiration for Nazi principles from his uncle Hussein was attracted to the ideals of the Ba’ath nationalist movement when he enrolled in the Karch secondary school. The Ba’athe party started as a secret organization without popular support in 1943 by two Syrians, Michel A’flaq, a Greek Orthodox Christian, and Salah al-Bitar. They based their philosophy on that of German socialism and Italian fascism.
Who, Aakash, is Clintonian? Who is using "aforemention flawed comparisons, and faulty, left-wing logic"? The answer should be apparent.
Posted by Nick Queen at December 15, 2003 10:34 AM | TrackBack
Comments
Now i'm totally confused... i thought BUSH was the Hilter... or at least thats what i'm told...
If calling Saddam "hitler" is Clintonian, then calling Bush "hitler" is ... ???
Posted by: Vigilance Matters at December 15, 2003 10:45 AM
HUGGERS
