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Nolan Nash
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12-31-2004 17:08
From: Korg Stygian
Not bitter. Don't hold grudges.
Basically, I say what is on my mind with little desire or reason to qualify them --- oh wait, I do that in real life too - so don't accuse me of acting here unlike I would in real life.

Well, it appears otherwise as you have bestowed upon him a nickname. In a rather derisive context. As far as acussing you of acting differently here vs. RL I never did nor would I. As a matter of fact I really don't like when people claim that seperation. I usually see it as a big excuse.

From: someone
As for "no way to decide ...for LL", THANK YOU for essentially restating my continuing rationale for being irked at certain people's posts. Just because one is an "oldbie" doesn't mean his/her opinion is any more or less valuabe or insightful than anyone else's. That is routinely illustrated on these forums.
So why do you retort continously if that's how you really feel? You admit that he can't sway LL because his "olbie" status doesn't qualify his opinion. Therefore, it appears as if you have a personal problem with him, hence my use of the the words "bitter" and "grudges".
From: someone

In the case of the hero in question, the essence of the collected posts, having used them for a "statistical analysis of pointless rhetoric" paper I am preparing for a communciations conference using a text-parsing program written by one fo the foremost rhetorical analysts involved in computer-analysis of speech patterns, it's pretty obvious that I am not alone in sensing a perpetual air of condescension, a strategic use of words to "bolster one's position/to appear in/as-an authority" and to listen to one's own "voice".
Save the highbrow mumbo-jumbo please. I care about what you do in RL as much as I care about my neighbor's goldfish. You state from one side of your mouth that Hiro's experiences don't give his opinion any value, yet you drag your RL *expertise* in speech analysis into this. That's a bit ironic.
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Consequently, Nolan.... I have no reason to try to fight with you. Fight with yourself. As you suggest, if he is entitled to his misbegotten opinion and is entitled to express it, so am I. You too for that matter.
I do not see it as fighting. At this point in time it rather amuses me to see you wind yourself of because of another persons ideas and opinions, so I am playing with you a bit.
From: someone
Funny thing is, if I were to weight your opinion and his together, I think a butterfly's wing would weigh more as far as influence on me.
Apparently a butterfly of the genus Mohamedus Alius, judging by your responses.
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12-31-2004 17:10
From: Nolan Nash
Mohamedus Alius



Didn't get anything from google. @_o
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Nolan Nash
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12-31-2004 17:11
From: Lance LeFay
Didn't get anything from google. @_o


Google *stings like a bee* ;)
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Korg Stygian
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12-31-2004 17:18
From: Nolan Nash
Well, it appears otherwise as you have bestowed upon him a nickname. In a rather derisive context. As far as acussing you of acting differently here vs. RL I never did nor would I. As a matter of fact I really don't like when people claim that seperation. I usually see it as a big excuse.

So why do you retort continously if that's how you really feel? You admit that he can't sway LL because his "olbie" status doesn't qualify his opinion. Therefore, it appears as if you have a personal problem with him, hence my use of the the words "bitter" and "grudges".
Save the highbrow mumbo-jumbo please. I care about what you do in RL as much as I care about my neighbor's goldfish. You state from one side of your mouth that Hiro's experiences don't give his opinion any value, yet you drag your RL *expertise* in speech analysis into this. That's a bit ironic.
I do not see it as fighting. At this point in time it rather amuses me to see you wind yourself of because of another persons ideas and opinions, so I am playing with you a bit.
Apparently a butterfly of the genus Mohamedus Alius, judging by your responses.

Lol. Yep yep yep. I bestowed upon him the "hero" moniker as an obvious homonymic play on words --- as a direct result of his posts trying to "fix things" for other people, including attitudes. Frnakly, I amuse myself with the irony each time I type it. I often crack myself up that simply.

I retort, as you put it, because I can. Nothing more. You saying I have a personal problem is a bit of a misinterpretation. I abhor condescension... somethign nearly every one of his posts rates high in.

As for highbrow mumbo-jumbo, sorry. You again misinterpret. I mentioned tha tI have used HIS posts as fodder for a paper --- and referenced that the analysis results were not MY opinion alone. Rather, a well-renowned figure, with no knowledge of "hero" and no interaction with him, has written a program that reached the same conclusion about "hero's" rhetorical style. That was offered as a simple means of illustrating that I "am not alone" in my analysis. Take it for what it's worth to you or not.

And no, you ain't the greates'... duh "hero's" rhetoric claims that position for himself. But perhaps you two could share.
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12-31-2004 17:22
From: Aaron Levy
Hiro I normally agree with just about everything you say in these forums, but I don't view Seccond Life as an experiment. When you're asked, or even when you volunteer to be a part of an "experiment," you are compensated for your time. Here it's vice versa.


Checks for dwell sent out by LL are from Linden Research Inc. (Or maybe that is Linden Lab Research Inc., I forget :P) Nevertheless, the word research leads one to the logical conclusion that there must be an experiment of sorts even if it is just analyzing social stastical data generated in SL.

Just because you are not compensated for your time does not mean SL is not an experiment irregardless of the fact that we pay to be part of this virtual experiment.

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Nolan Nash
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12-31-2004 17:28
From: Korg Stygian
Lol. Yep yep yep. I bestowed upon him the "hero" moniker as an obvious homonymic play on words --- as a direct result of his posts trying to "fix things" for other people, including attitudes. Frnakly, I amuse myself with the irony each time I type it. I often crack myself up that simply.
I realized that, thanks for the lengthy explanation though.
From: Korg Stygian

I retort, as you put it, because I can. Nothing more. You saying I have a personal problem is a bit of a misinterpretation. I abhor condescension... somethign nearly every one of his posts rates high in.
That's an evasive answer. "Because I can" is a nice hidey-hole utilized to hide true motives, however.
From: Korg Stygian

As for highbrow mumbo-jumbo, sorry. You again misinterpret. I mentioned tha tI have used HIS posts as fodder for a paper --- and referenced that the analysis results were not MY opinion alone. Rather, a well-renowned figure, with no knowledge of "hero" and no interaction with him, has written a program that reached the same conclusion about "hero's" rhetorical style. That was offered as a simple means of illustrating that I "am not alone" in my analysis. Take it for what it's worth to you or not.
Have you ever run your own posts through that program?
From: Korg Stygian

And no, you ain't the greates'... duh "hero's" rhetoric claims that position for himself. But perhaps you two could share.
I never claimed to be, that would be a farce, it was in reference to your statement claiming what we say holds no weight with you. Your continued responses effectively indicate that this is not the case.
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YadNi Monde
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12-31-2004 17:38
love that kind of thread

begins by someone whining
then a guy says stop whining
another comes and asks who are you to say to stop whining
and another answers for the first who are you to ask him who he is
and finally i lol a lot

ok and when is the grid back so we can build a bit ??
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Korg Stygian
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12-31-2004 17:57
From: Nolan Nash
I realized that, thanks for the lengthy explanation though.
That's an evasive answer. "Because I can" is a nice hidey-hole utilized to hide true motives, however.
Have you ever run your own posts through that program?
I never claimed to be, that would be a farce, it was in reference to your statement claiming what we say holds no weight with you. Your continued responses effectively indicate that this is not the case.

I give my retarded cousin lengthy explanations also - in hopes that some of it might sink in.

Actually, I do run my posts through that program - usually 3-4 days after I write them. It's an interesting exercise in self-analysis. The name of the program is Diction, by Ross Hart, if you are interested. I happen to use Diction 5.0.

As I said, I respond because I choose to spend my time doing so... just as I choose when and when not to take a dump. I assume you don't allow others to tell you when you must eat or speak? I allow a lot of posts to go unanswered - today, you chose to respond/I chose to engage you back. Big deal. Tomorrow, it will likely be someone else and I --- but hero holds a special place based on the enjoyment I get from running his posts through that program and reading the analysis (and, coincidentally, using those results to fashion an appropriate response sometimes).
Nolan Nash
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12-31-2004 18:08
From: Korg Stygian
I give my retarded cousin lengthy explanations also - in hopes that some of it might sink in.
Wow! And you talk about condescension?
From: Korg Stygian

Actually, I do run my posts through that program - usually 3-4 days after I write them. It's an interesting exercise in self-analysis. The name of the program is Diction, by Ross Hart, if you are interested. I happen to use Diction 5.0.
I am aware of both Mr. Hart and the software, although I realize you think you are the only one privy to the absolute last word on speech analysis.
From: Korg Stygian

As I said, I respond because I choose to spend my time doing so... just as I choose when and when not to take a dump. I assume you don't allow others to tell you when you must eat or speak? I allow a lot of posts to go unanswered - today, you chose to respond/I chose to engage you back. Big deal. Tomorrow, it will likely be someone else and I --- but hero holds a special place based on the enjoyment I get from running his posts through that program and reading the analysis (and, coincidentally, using those results to fashion an appropriate response sometimes).
Bullshit. Go talk to your retarded cousin, I am sure you will make more sense to him. I feel SO honored you took the time out from your busy holiday filled with derision and speech analysis to grace me with a "debate". The junior high lunch table remark in your first paragraph causes me to release you from your servitude Korgy my boy, you can reply all you wish henceforth, I am not going argue with a pseudo-intellectual who employs adolescent rhetoric such as that. Happy Holidays sparky.
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12-31-2004 18:16
From: Nolan Nash
Wow! And you talk about condescension?
I am aware of both Mr. Hart and the software, although I realize you think you are the only one privy to the absolute last word on speech analysis.
Bullshit. Go talk to your retarded cousin, I am sure you will make more sense to him. I feel SO honored you took the time out from your busy holiday filled with derision and speech analysis to grace me with a "debate". The junior high lunch table remark in your first paragraph causes me to release you from your servitude Korgy my boy, you can reply all you wish henceforth, I am not going argue with a pseudo-intellectual who employs adolescent rhetoric such as that. Happy Holidays sparky.

w'ssa matta you?

I never said my approach was NOT condescending. OTOH, perhaps you should feel graced that I would deign to engage you. You obviously engaged back - so one would htink you were getting "something positive" from it. I appreciate the acknowledgement of the good feelings I brought yoy today.

You, unfortunately have a misunderstanding of what debate is though. Debate involves arguable issues - not sniping. I acknowldge my sniping - still waiting for you to do so.... oh wait, your every post directed at me was a snipe.

Psuedo-intellectual? ROFLMAO. I am probably the last one to claim to be an intellectual. I do admit to having at least two cooperatively functioning braincells however.

As for "happy holidays".. who said any of these days are holidays for me? And why should they be any happier than any other days?

Cheers.... m.. perhaps.. more beers?
Nolan Nash
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12-31-2004 18:43
You do know what quotation marks denote do you not Mr. speech pathologist? Did you not see them around the word 'debate'? In this case they were employed to indicate that I was recognizing that it was not a debate and was rapidly devolving especially after your "retarded cousin" jab. It simply indicated to me that you are becoming riled up and starting to make ad hominem attacks. Go figure!

As per usual, you were too busy feverishly responding to actually pay attention to the that fact, no wonder you need a speech analysis program to help you interpret people.

As for the beer, I am heading to the liquor store soon. I drank the two that I had at home. Now I am showered and getting ready to go meet with friends to ring in the New Year, which will thankfully be devoid of prepubescent "sniping".

cur·mudg·eon An ill-tempered person full of resentment and stubborn notions.

What aspirations you have! Notice that "resentment" is closely akin to "grudge holding", that which you deny. Interesting choice for a self imposed moniker. Perhaps you are more lucid than I had previously given you credit for.

Happy Holidays! :D
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Nolan Nash
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12-31-2004 19:00
BUZZ!

Too late! I am sorry you but didn't win the internet!

Happy New Year Korg!
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12-31-2004 19:01
From: Nolan Nash
You do know what quotation marks denote do you not Mr. speech pathologist? Did you not see them around the word 'debate'? In this case they were employed to indicate that I was recognizing that it was not a debate and was rapidly devolving especially after your "retarded cousin" jab. It simply indicated to me that you are becoming riled up and starting to make ad hominem attacks. Go figure!

As per usual, you were too busy feverishly responding to actually pay attention to the that fact, no wonder you need a speech analysis program to help you interpret people.

As for the beer, I am heading to the liquor store soon. I drank the two that I had at home. Now I am showered and getting ready to go meet with friends to ring in the New Year, which will thankfully be devoid of prepubescent "sniping".

cur·mudg·eon An ill-tempered person full of resentment and stubborn notions.

What aspirations you have! Notice that "resentment" is closely akin to "grudge holding", that which you deny. Interesting choice for a self imposed moniker. Perhaps you are more lucid than I had previously given you credit for.

Gee and I thought you weren't going to respond again. More fun for me I guess.

I never said I was a speech pathologist? What gave you that idea? Look up the desciption of that profession in the Deparment of Commerce Occupational Handbook or something, will you? I never posted ANYTHING about working anywhere near that field. I do rhetorical analysis, dude. If you KNOW of Diction and Ross Hart, how you could conclude that I am involved in speech pathology kind of boggles the mind trying to make that stretch.

I HAVE a retarded cousin, who I have referred to a couple of times on these very forums. So, if you happen to think that my reference was superfluous or an attack on you somehow, again, you assume too much. You think I was making an oblique ad hominem attack? Pfft. If I intend to attack you, I'll do it so there is no doubt that you have been targetted. I am merely amusing myself with you like a sated cat who has a mouse between its paws.

You have friends in real life? Congrats. How much did you have to pay them to assume that status? If it was less than a couple million, they are proably underpaid. Then again, is your weekly allowance sufficient to pay more than a nickel each? You know, a whole ten cents total?

Oh.. another congratulations for the demostration that you could use a dictionary and cut and paste. My dictionary happens to have a bit of a different definiton for the word, but that's okay. I'll grant you yours for the time being. Then again, so what? Tell me what I resent? Give me an example of stubborness I have illustrated. There are differences between being insensitive and resentful... and between being stubborn and persistent. So, make your case dictionary boy.

Aspirations? What am I aspiring to? C'mon. Speak up. We're listening.

Perhaps suggesting you get a beer was the wrong thing to do.... maybe pablum for you tonight?
Nolan Nash
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12-31-2004 19:15
Let me be crystal clear for you. You are a hypocritical asshole who does the same thing that you accuse others of, namely attempted behavior modification through ridicule and admonition. C'est la Vie, I suppose.

I don't need an occupational handbook to recognize an armchair psychologist.

As far as friends go, I probably have made more in the last year than you will ever make in your entire, wretched life. That is most likely because I understand that not everyone thinks the same way I do, what a novel concept eh?

Until next time! Cheers! I am going to toss nickels at my friends and when they ask me why, I will simply reply, "Because the cat with the mouse between his legs told me too". Then I will chuckle with a twinge of sorrow for you. Yes, I pity you. People with over-inflated egos have that effect on me. Ciao!
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01-01-2005 19:37
I love how when Korg replies, he has the effect of making people feel as if the opposition to my viewpoint is narrow-minded, stubborn bitterness. One day, I wonder if Korg will realize this, and if he really wanted to debunk my thoughts, would come at me like a civil human being, not a self-acknowledged condescending curmudgeon.

Nolan, thanks for sticking up for me while I was away from my computer enjoying the New Year's celebration.
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Korg Stygian
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01-01-2005 20:15
From: Hiro Pendragon
snip...

brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrp
CrystalShard Foo
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01-01-2005 20:28
Correct me if I am wrong, but where does it say in the agreement, software informative texts, and website that SecondLife is an experiment and thus purchasing large amounts of land or investing time and money in the system and service is to be concidered a risk?

Where is the indication and information for newcomers that they may lose everything they worked for, but its "ok" for this is still an experiment?

No, I am not bashing you. I really am curious to see where a newbie is to observe and learn these facts, before they purchase a piece of land.
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01-01-2005 20:41
From: CrystalShard Foo
Correct me if I am wrong, but where does it say in the agreement, software informative texts, and website that SecondLife is an experiment and thus purchasing large amounts of land or investing time and money in the system and service is to be concidered a risk?

Where is the indication and information for newcomers that they may lose everything they worked for, but its "ok" for this is still an experiment?

No, I am not bashing you. I really am curious to see where a newbie is to observe and learn these facts, before they purchase a piece of land.


Is it on a hard drive somewhere?

Is it on YOUR hard drive?

If not, then it is a risk.

If you give anyone control over your data, it is a risk. If you are an early adopter for a new idea, then it is a risk. If you throw thousands of dollars at virtual land in hopes of turning a profit, then it is a risk.

SL is a risk. The internet is a risk. Going outside is a risk.

Look. SL is a New Idea. It may "Change The World" or whatever. Or it might not.

It might be the new Intarwebzor, it might not.

Is LLabs forcing you to throw dozens of dollars a month at this experiment/game/social tool?

Is LLabs guaranteeing 100% uptime?

Do you HAVE to play SL?

The answers to the above questions are a rhetorical "no", for those of you playing at home.

Also, personal attacks go nowhere fast.

If you wanna play SL, go play SL. Otherwise, if you're going to pointlessly and endlessly bitch about how the quality of service is cramping your style without offering ANY helpful advice (other than "OMFG FIX DEH SERVERZOR!!!";), cancel your account and go home.

edit: not directed at you crystal, but at everyone in general
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Korg Stygian
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01-01-2005 22:03
From: Liquid Zidane
You're very wrong, Korg. Being an "oldbie" is simply another term for "experienced player". And guess what, Korg... experience is -everything-.

Werd.

Nope. Being an oldbie is simply a term used to describe someone who registers/starts playing an particular game before someone else. While that may provide the opportunity to gain experience and knowledge, as you just proved, that experience and knowledge will vary from person to person - or in your case, from ignorance to ignoramus.

As for "experience is everything", obviously yours has not served you well.
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01-02-2005 02:04
From: Hiro Pendragon
Aaron,
No one forces you to pay $75 - $200 month. Obviously, you know this.


Whether he was forced or not is irrelevant. He pays money out for a service then he's entitled to moral and legal expectations of the service and its providers.
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01-02-2005 02:19
What are you noobs doing, talking about beta? :P
There was no difference between beta and 1.0, and in fact, most of the difference in 1.1 was graphical. The new 1.2 pricing plan was what made SL as we know it - large and greedy!
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01-02-2005 04:47
From: Korg Stygian
Let's see...

One by one...

Metaverse, schmetaverse. I didn't come here for a metaverse or a psuedo-philosophical lesson by wannabe-world-changers or leftist-liberal techno-apologists.


Ok, fine.

What did you come here for?
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01-02-2005 04:53
From: Moleculor Satyr
What did you come here for?

To be a curmdgeon of course... just as you came to be a mole....
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