SL must move beyond the Prokofy & Blaze mindset
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Cienna Samiam
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04-26-2005 09:38
From: Cristiano Midnight I don't think we need to move beyond the mindsets put forth by Prokofy/Blaze, as they exist only in their minds. The reality of SL could not be further from the gloom and doom class warfare and all the negativity they evoke and promote. SL is as strong as it has ever been, and their limited view of the world limits only them, not the rest of us in any way. Very true, Cris. But just the same, the sheer volume of the attention whores is disruptive to the atmosphere and ambience of this, a community forum. I think they tread upon much thinner ice than they realize. And in all honesty, am hopeful it breaks under them soon.
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Shadow Weaver
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04-26-2005 09:44
From: Cienna Samiam Very true, Cris. But just the same, the sheer volume of the attention whores is disruptive to the atmosphere and ambience of this, a community forum. I think they tread upon much thinner ice than they realize. And in all honesty, am hopeful it breaks under them soon. Anyone got a blow torche...lol
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blaze Spinnaker
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04-26-2005 09:49
Ok ok, you guys have won.
My intention was never to make people unhappy, which they clearly seem to be.
I'll retire this Alt for awhile and stop publically agreeing with Prok.
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Cienna Samiam
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04-26-2005 10:09
From: Shadow Weaver Anyone got a blow torche...lol Oh, don't worry, they'll do the worst damage themselves. They can't help it. It is part of the pathology. But, if you really want to speed up the process, all you need do is publically demonstrate that you're ignoring them and their thoughts have no affect with you anymore. See my signature for details. 
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Dianne Mechanique
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long winded posters
04-26-2005 10:12
From: Cadroe Murphy I agree Aimee. Thread after thread. Boring. I enjoy our rotation of drahmatic players, but they need to know how to share the stage. This is what bothers me the most. Not so much that Prok and others think that everyone *must* agree with their amateur economic theories and so forth, but that they just wont shut up! I dont know blaze well, but I know Prok could write several books a month with the output of his keyboard. Each post is a long essay with long long answers to each and every possible point brought up against them to follow... Sheesh! Give it a rest and let others talk. It's just not worth reading that much stuff and any comments one might like to make are generally lost unless you get into "battle" with one of them, (and that aint good). This kind of behaviour is (IMO) usually an indicator of an obsessive mind with a great inferiority complex. People have been doing this since BBS days and never seem to realise how silly and lame this makes them look.  Dianne Mechanique BTW great building tools if this is the same Cadroe... you are a lifesaver 
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Cienna Samiam
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04-26-2005 10:15
From: Dianne Mechanique This kind of behaviour is (IMO) usually an indicator of an obsessive mind with a great inferiority complex. People have been doing this since BBS days and never seem to realise how silly and lame this makes them look. To their mind, they are great intellectual giants. Funny, isn't it? I remember the days when forums like this were great common grounds for brainstorming and working as a community, and where attention whores withered and died for lack of response. I hold great hope that aspect of the past can yet be reclaimed. 
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Shadow Weaver
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04-26-2005 10:37
From: Cienna Samiam To their mind, they are great intellectual giants. Funny, isn't it? I remember the days when forums like this were great common grounds for brainstorming and working as a community, and where attention whores withered and died for lack of response. I hold great hope that aspect of the past can yet be reclaimed.  I have a fetish for acronyms and this one came to mind when reading this. S.L.A.W. SL against Attention Whores. Kinda like leave the Slaw off your hotdog or cheeseburger..  Shadow
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Cocoanut Koala
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04-26-2005 10:49
Can't y'all talk about anything else?
Grow up, why don'tcha.
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Dianne Mechanique
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return to conspiracy
04-26-2005 10:53
From: Cienna Samiam To their mind, they are great intellectual giants. Funny, isn't it? I remember the days when forums like this were great common grounds for brainstorming and working as a community, and where attention whores withered and died for lack of response. I hold great hope that aspect of the past can yet be reclaimed.  If those kind of posters are of the opinion that there is a conspiracy against them (and some have definately stated that), then maybe we should make their dreams come true. We coud form a *real* conspiracy and make an "ignore list" of idiots who deserve to have their thread die. It's a win-win because we get to ignore them, and they get to feel important because there actualy *is* a conspriacy against them. This is my wicked thought of the day anyway...  Dianne
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Catherine Cotton
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04-26-2005 10:54
Apparently your all guilty of what your accusing each other of. Don't beleive me, re read your own posts. No I won't repost for your convience.
Nuf Said.
Cat
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Nolan Nash
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04-26-2005 10:55
From: Cocoanut Koala Can't y'all talk about anything else?
Grow up, why don'tcha.
coco How glaringly ironic coming from a supporter of Prokofyism, a methodology that encourages sticking one's fingers in one's ears and repeating the same skewed and flawed dialectic for months on end. So... Can't y'all talk about anything else?
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Cienna Samiam
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04-26-2005 11:02
From: Catherine Cotton Apparently your all guilty of what your accusing each other of. Don't beleive me, re read your own posts. No I won't repost for your convience.
Nuf Said.
Cat Hi Catherine. Welcome to the 'guilty' table. Enjoy your seat. 
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04-26-2005 11:10
From: Dianne Mechanique If those kind of posters are of the opinion that there is a conspiracy against them (and some have definately stated that), then maybe we should make their dreams come true.
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This is my wicked thought of the day anyway...
I like the way you think, Dianne. That kinda goes with a saying I've been using lately. "Whatever you think about, you bring about".... well... guess enough thinking has been done. 
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Chase Rutherford
Oldbie Conspirator
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Mute them?
04-26-2005 11:18
From: Aimee Weber Do you really feel this way? I hate to be part of the "sky is falling" crowd but I feel like the tone of the forums have changed. There have always been trolls but I always felt their coverage was spotty. Lately, however, I feel like there is a concerted effort on the part of certain individuals to sabotage every single thread, even ones of the most benign nature. I really don't think things were like this 2-4 months ago. I muted the worst offenders. Muting makes the forum a less stressful place. I'd rather not waste any time skimming their posts.
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Aimee Weber
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04-26-2005 11:25
From: Chase Rutherford I muted the worst offenders. Muting makes the forum a less stressful place. I'd rather not waste any of my time skimming their posts. With forum trolls in the days of old this was a fine solution. The problem is now these individuals infect every single thread, and once they do all future posts by other people are derailed. It isn't so much that I want to stop seeing posts by these individuals, it's that I ALSO want to see the inspired opinions of everybody else. The current disruptive tone in these forums makes it near impossible to have a discussion that doesn't twist and contort itself into the same repeated, unproductive patterns. Ignoring a handful of people cannot prevent this.
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Nolan Nash
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04-26-2005 11:29
From: Aimee Weber Ignoring a handful of people cannot prevent this. Engaging them has not and cannot prevent this either. There has to be a turning/starting point in any endeavor.
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Cienna Samiam
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04-26-2005 11:31
Actually, ignoring those who are regularly found creating or fomenting it can... the issue is not that snarkiness happens, it is that there are some people who just prefer to support and draw out any such that does appear.
Also, if accounts on this forum were linked to avatars in-world, then the whole question of alt abuse would be lessened, and a rating system for posts would stand a much better chance at working, too.
Finally, as with any online community, adminstrators need to be more strict in enforcing a standard of cooperative interaction.
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Aimee Weber
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04-26-2005 11:34
From: Cienna Samiam Actually, ignoring those who are regularly found creating or fomenting it can... the issue is not that snarkiness happens, it is that there are some people who just prefer to support and draw out any such that does appear.
Also, if accounts on this forum were linked to avatars in-world, then the whole question of alt abuse would be lessened, and a rating system for posts would stand a much better chance at working, too.
Finally, as with any online community, adminstrators need to be more strict in enforcing a standard of cooperative interaction. Excellent points!
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Chase Rutherford
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04-26-2005 12:17
From: Cienna Samiam Finally, as with any online community, adminstrators need to be more strict in enforcing a standard of cooperative interaction. I'd rather mute people than see strict forum administration affect everyone.
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Prokofy Neva
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04-26-2005 12:33
From: someone Actually, I think when their volume outstrips their sense, they should simply be banned. Why, that seems like a splendid idea, Cienna, and *so much* in keeping with the actual TOS and the norms of free expression in democratic societies! What a bunch! Um...volume....is a crime? But the forum posting box holds 10,000 words. I hit that wall once answering Hiro Pendragon. Something, eh? Um...muting people because you can't engage in a legitimate debate? That's funny. I can't imagine ever doing such a thing. I find it really a frightening prospect that a society would be built on the Internet where the norm would be to mute out people you didn't like or disagreed with. Fascism! In a little private club, that might be acceptable, but...on the open grid? In RL? huh? Isnt' that what this is supposed to be about? It's the same six people again lol. As for blaze-who-is-alt-of-somebody-else, well, you've been shown to be the manipulative person you are. I've not used my alts to tug the debate to and fro like that at all, with fake interventions on someone's side, with fake agreements with myself. I think that would be dishonest.
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David Valentino
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04-26-2005 12:38
From: Prokofy Neva Um...muting people because you can't engage in a legitimate debate? That's funny. I can't imagine ever doing such a thing. I find it really a frightening prospect that a society would be built on the Internet where the norm would be to mute out people you didn't like or disagreed with. Fascism!
Actually..an individual making the choice to use the tools available to mute someone is the opposite of facism. It's called freedom. Now banning someone just because their opinion or style isn't to your liking..that is facism.
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04-26-2005 12:39
From: blaze Spinnaker Good point, Emma. I've got a kind of "anti-popularity fallacy" going. Anything that is popular *must* be wrong.  Anyways, I've never seen merwan once attempt to understand what it is that I am saying. Never seem him try to engage at all, so I can only assume his attitude towards this isn't based on thoughtful reasoning but rather a general feeling of getting caught up in the mob and it's mindset and tuning into that wavelength. If Merwan really ever bothered to really sit down and figure it all out, he'd find that my ideas are wholey sound and that I'm even more willing to compromise with everyone as long as they bring something to the party. Maybe he just doesn't value your ideas as highly as you do. From what I can tell, you think your ideas are integral to SL and since not as many people as you'd think are going to agree with you; perhaps it's safe to say you're going to get defensive. If you just take the crown off and exit stage left, you can rejoin the crowd and share your ideas rather than defend them. Excuse me if I assume too much; I am attempting to just reflect my observations. As for Prok well -- I don't believe anyone should be ousted for their ideas alone. However, I believe there is quite a history of baiting and insulting going on that's just building itself up. I for one had a forum encounter way back with prok that annoyed me -- but I don't think I let it get to outright name calling/harranging. Either way -- we all have our ideas as to what SL should/could/will be. The reality is that it will never be any ONE of us that will guide SL's future. We all guide it everyday in everything we do. We're a community, an economy, and a potential future. Perhaps we could take a moment to "give up the ghost" and learn the whole "forgive and forget" thing. Maybe we could all pull our egos out of the fray and reason with our humility. Threads like this make me sad.
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Pendari Lorentz
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04-26-2005 12:42
From: Kismet Karuna It constantly amazes me that some folks jump all over anyone who gets fed up with the constant atmosphere of hostility promoted by Prokofy and his gang, yet don't say jack shit to the instigators themselves. Sure, being reactionary isn't the most desirable path to take, but it's certainly not comparable to the endless preemptive attacks on random SLers and their threads perpetrated by these jokers. The one with the faux-messiah complex will even admit to preemptively finding fault and bitching about it until the cows come home, in other words, making shit up and jumping to conclusions without ANY shred of real, tangible evidence. Talk about the boy who cried wolf, my god. Instead of chastising Merwan, you should be considering why he, of all people, has ended up at this point. If you are of clear mind you may come to the conclusion that people are sick and tired of being pushed around by this gang of forum thugs who hide their own socialist agenda behind a supposed love for capitalism. You know "The People", et al. They want to set up Company Towns (an exploititative American micro version of communism, almost all of which failed miserably), where you come "work" & "live" on their land. Never owning anything, but made to feel, through smoke and mirrors, that you actually do, all the while the fat cats at the top suck the well ("The People"  dry. Sound familiar? This brand of capitalism is just Soviet communism by a different name. Prokofy is afraid of competition, afraid of losing some newbies, to others who wish to assisit newbies without digging into their very shallow pocketbooks, or offering them "jobs" and "land". He would like you to believe that he is simply an altruistic watchdog, benefitting all by preventing unfairness, when in reality, it's all about number one and his petty envies. Wow! You stated my thoughts exactly but that I would not have been able to put into words so well. Nice work Kismet! 
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Jeska Linden
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04-26-2005 16:34
I'm moving this thread to Off-Topic and closing it. It's not appropriate to post targeted threads against other SL Residents. Also, wanted to remind everyone to refrain from personally attacking those you don't agree with in the forums.
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