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Proposed Ban on Hateful Diatribes

Saben Mondrian
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09-26-2005 16:48
From: Nolan Nash
I am not one to be a grammar or spelling freak, however, if someone is going to pat themself on the back for using a "big word", the least they could do is spell it right.

You are absolutely right Mr. Nash.

No, there's no denial or sarcastic remark on the way.

My spelling seems to be deteriorating along with my vision. I am spelling homonyms the wrong way with annoying consistency. "Their" for "there" and the reverse, and the like, consistently enough that it's worse than just getting them wrong at random.

In this case I did the poor woman's spell check: pasted it into Google. Unfortunately for me, people have managed to produced nearly 800 entries in Google with "sesquipedalian" spelled wrong, and that was enough to trick me into thinking I had it right.

I don't have a spell checker installed in Firefox but I might have find one, or switch to the Opera web browser which, according to some posts in the off topic forum, can do spell checking in forms such as the edit boxes we enter our forum text in. I'm too lazy to cut and paste, even highlighing and right clicking is a bother.

Too bad we don't get a zig zag underline or similar, like MS Word, to alert us to the misspelled word the instant it appears.
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Chase Rutherford
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09-27-2005 16:14
From: Ulrika Zugzwang
How would you feel about a proposed ban on hateful diatribes?

~Ulrika~
I oppose a ban on harsh speech or hateful diatribes. I'd oppose such a ban even if every hateful diatribe were directed at me. The Linden Lab TOS is sufficient.
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Jake Reitveld
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09-27-2005 16:46
eh. I can't type. If i wanted to learn to type I would have been a secretary and not a grimgribber, and got promoted the old fashioned way-by giving a green gown to the boss.

(with apologies to all secretaries, who do thier best to make mere laywers look good).
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Siggy Romulus
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09-27-2005 17:20
I'd like to propose a ban on proposing bans.
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From: Jesse Linden
I, for one, am highly un-helped by this thread
Ulrika Zugzwang
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09-27-2005 17:28
From: Siggy Romulus
I'd like to propose a ban on proposing bans.
You can't. There's already a ban on recursion. :D

~Ulrika~
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09-27-2005 17:41
How goes the info theft and spam business.

Right up your diatribe.
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Ulrika Zugzwang
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09-27-2005 18:11
From: Tcoz Bach
How goes the info theft and spam business. Right up your diatribe.
I am neither in the business of stealing information nor spamming. Public accusations such as these are blatantly libelous. :mad:

The Lindens specifically gave users the right to maintain open name2key databases. Of the people who maintain them, I am the only one who provides an opt out list. Please drop this subject in the forums or I will consider it harassment. I've AR'ed your post in case this is the beginning of another round of harassment from you (forum, PM, emailing my internet service provider). :(


For those not in the know, I maintain a free and open name2key database. The goal is to provide startup virtual businesses with the infrastructure they need to immediately move goods upon opening. Since the Lindens gave permission to maintain such a database, I have been receiving name-key pairs continuously from supportive individuals. By coincidence I was just contacted today about the terms of use by a new start up. :)

~Ulrika~
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10-07-2005 14:15
I actually found your service very handy for creating a tool to let me know when some particular people are online, so that I could ask them if they would be interested in selling their land. One guy was away for like 5 months and owned 128 sq meter plot he wasn't using, smack dab in the middle of my parcel. Within 10 minutes of him coming online we worked it out, so thanks for the tool, it really helped!!

Regarding the original intent of this thread, unfortunately some people have no ability to exercise restraint. One would stand a better chance of herding butterflies, but I share your frustration. Ironically, what I saw in the cited post was a classic example of the black pot and kettle theme, "...full of sound and fury, signifying nothing." Such people are their own worst enemy by the words they write.
Hayden Hedges
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10-07-2005 14:29
After reading the thread as linked, and Ulrikas comments I can only really come to one conclusion. Ulrika needs to lighten up and the other poster maybe needs to chill out just a little. Whilst I do not doubt Ulrika has the finest of intentions this whole 'Let's be so PC our shit doesn't stink' attitude drives me crazy. No one forces you to read the posts. Report them and let the moderators deal with it. So many people round this forum really do need to loosen their sphincters just a touch.
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10-07-2005 15:02
From: Ulrika Zugzwang
I am neither in the business of stealing information nor spamming. Public accusations such as these are blatantly libelous. :mad:

The Lindens specifically gave users the right to maintain open name2key databases. Of the people who maintain them, I am the only one who provides an opt out list. Please drop this subject in the forums or I will consider it harassment. I've AR'ed your post in case this is the beginning of another round of harassment from you (forum, PM, emailing my internet service provider). :(


For those not in the know, I maintain a free and open name2key database. The goal is to provide startup virtual businesses with the infrastructure they need to immediately move goods upon opening. Since the Lindens gave permission to maintain such a database, I have been receiving name-key pairs continuously from supportive individuals. By coincidence I was just contacted today about the terms of use by a new start up. :)

~Ulrika~



excuse me how did you get my key? I have never given it freely. Please remove me from your data base.
Moonshine Herbst
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10-07-2005 16:17
From: Cienna Samiam
It is amusing to me to point out the Flesch-Kincaid score of the quoted paragraph is 8.4, for those paying attention, that would be classified as 'barely literate'. What is interesting is how this individual attempts to make up for their literacy issues by using (misusing, I might add) terms.

I suspect the poster unable to read well enough to understand what was written, hence doomed to cling to what they were told about what was written, which explains quite neatly why they end with this particular opinion..

I actually think that the quote above is worse than her thread.

First, she makes fun of the post, by telling us it is illiterate, even if she really has no problem understanding it. She even gives proof! She could have asked for clarification, but she didn't really need one, so she belittled it instead.

Then she goes on to say that the poster isn't able to understand what he/she read (in other words: stupid) since the writing was so horrible.


It pisses me off.
Firstly because I think it is a personal attack. At least it is a hit way below the belt.
Secondly because English is my 3rd language, and I'm far better at reading it than writing it. I have been reading it for 20 years, but I haven't had to write it before the last 5 years or so, and only occationally. It can be hard to find the right words. I spent 30 minutes just writing this little post. It would have taken 3 minutes in my native language, and would have been far more eloquent.

That does not mean that I am stupid.

With that said....

Ulrika, aren't you getting tired of pulling the Nazi card?
Sienna is too slick to be banned. But you must be getting pretty close now?
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10-07-2005 17:54
I had no intention of posting in this wretched thread but I just had to say - why Moonshine, I had no idea English wasn't your first language! It never stops being amazing to me how well others - like Cristiano, and my friend Sara, from Sweden - do with our language not their first. We here in the U.S. are not nearly as strong in foreign languages. I can only say that writing is a merely skill and a tool, and that the form counts far less than the substance, in my book. It's the message that counts most in communication.

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Ulrika Zugzwang
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10-07-2005 21:14
From: Moonshine Herbst
I actually think that the quote above is worse than her thread.
It gets worse. If you want to see some really horrific stuff, check out a recently locked thread over at SLUniverse. It's just unbelievable.

From: someone
Ulrika, aren't you getting tired of pulling the Nazi card?
If by "pulling the Nazi card" you mean comparing individuals to Hitler as rhetorical tool, I have never engaged in that. It is an ad hominem attack and a logical fallacy (like comparing individuals to animals). Frankly, it is a crutch I do not need to lean on. (Search the forum. I'll wait. ;))

What I did in this thread is make an analytical comparison. Having recently read about the use of animal comparatives in anti-Semitic diatribes (animal comparatives provided moral disengagement in regards to genocide), I was just knocked off my feet by that post. In retrospect it would have served me to discuss the issue not using an internet cliché, despite it being the motivation for making the post. (It's also sad that the general topic of anti-Semitism and Naziism has devolved to a cliché, such that even valid analogies can no longer be made. However, that topic is another thread altogether and one that's frankly beyond the capability of any forum audience.)

Since the inception of this thread, there have been two more threads that I'm aware of that have similarly attacked unnamed individuals. What's amusing is that they've devolved into a the-smeller-is-the-feller trap, where those who post in opposition to the black tone are accused of identifying with the attack and thus being guilty of the charges in the attack. I maintain that diatribes, even with a vague target, are a true disservice to the forums and SL community.

~Ulrika~
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10-07-2005 21:24
From: Ulrika Zugzwang
It is an ad hominem attack and a logical fallacy (like comparing individuals to animals).


Ulrika... your a sneaky monkey! Or your like a sneaky monkey... or your worse than a sneaky monkey... take that for ad hominem attacks!
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10-07-2005 21:32
Correction: Please excuse my mistake in the above post. I thought this was a different thread (namely one of the ones this thread was referring to.) I had no intention of staying out of this thread, or calling it wretched.

coco

(Old threads dredged up again tend to confuse me.)
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Susie Boffin
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10-07-2005 21:51
If the hateful diatribes are banned I suggest the long winded defenses also be banned.
Ulrika Zugzwang
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10-07-2005 22:44
From: Susie Boffin
If the hateful diatribes are banned I suggest the long winded defenses also be banned.
If long-winded defenses are banned I suggest that rude comments by virtual country trolls also be banned.
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10-07-2005 22:58
From: Ulrika Zugzwang
If long-winded defenses are banned I suggest that rude comments by virtual country trolls also be banned.


I suggest that suggestions of bannings be banned. Along with the use of "kk".
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Jillian Callahan
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10-07-2005 23:02
From: Cristiano Midnight
I suggest that suggestions of bannings be banned. Along with the use of "kk".
You can have my "Kk" when you pry it from my cold, dead keyboard! :mad:

Kk?


:D
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10-07-2005 23:03
From: Jillian Callahan
You can have my "Kk" when you pry it from my cold, dead keyboard! :mad:

Kk?


:D


Oh my lord, that is an even more inexplicable variation. Why do you capitalize the first K?
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10-07-2005 23:10
From: Cristiano Midnight
Oh my lord, that is an even more inexplicable variation. Why do you capitalize the first K?
Finesse! :D
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Cienna Samiam
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10-08-2005 07:35
From: Moonshine Herbst
I actually think that the quote above is worse than her thread.

First, she makes fun of the post, by telling us it is illiterate, even if she really has no problem understanding it. She even gives proof! She could have asked for clarification, but she didn't really need one, so she belittled it instead.

Then she goes on to say that the poster isn't able to understand what he/she read (in other words: stupid) since the writing was so horrible.


It pisses me off.
Firstly because I think it is a personal attack. At least it is a hit way below the belt.
Secondly because English is my 3rd language, and I'm far better at reading it than writing it. I have been reading it for 20 years, but I haven't had to write it before the last 5 years or so, and only occationally. It can be hard to find the right words. I spent 30 minutes just writing this little post. It would have taken 3 minutes in my native language, and would have been far more eloquent.

That does not mean that I am stupid.

With that said....

Ulrika, aren't you getting tired of pulling the Nazi card?
Sienna is too slick to be banned. But you must be getting pretty close now?


You missed the point if these are your conclusions. But let's recap.... someone popped out of the woodwork and decided to swat at me. They chose to do so using poor language and misspellings while at the same time, intimating that my writing was somehow poor. Naturally, the best rebuttal is pointing out the hypocrisy (at best) of the attack. Which, of couse, I did.

My advice to you would be to not feel so insecure about your English use. I don't look for people who write poorly to attack. But when one jumps out from behind a bush at me, you better believe I have no issue with 'getting my ninja on'.

p.s.: I am hardly 'slick' by any means. I think you mistake lack of concern for adeptness. I could be banned today and I would miss these forums for all of oh, ten minutes. Maybe. Perhaps that is the real difference -- many people say this is a pastime, I happen to mean it.

As for Ulrika, I see she got a couple of midol, a nice hot cocoa, and the realisation that you can't be anti-semitic if you're Jewish, and has now started working on her 'Oh, I didn't mean it THAT way, what I really meant was.... [insert a different tack that doesn't make her look quite so obviously catty]'

(chuckle)
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10-08-2005 09:21
Nice to see you back, Cienna. And with a post that does not threaten to knock someone's head off for disagreeing with you. Good way to handle your ongoing spar with Ulrika. :)
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10-08-2005 12:17
From: Cienna Samiam
As for Ulrika, I see she got a couple of midol, a nice hot cocoa, and the realisation that you can't be anti-semitic if you're Jewish, and has now started working on her 'Oh, I didn't mean it THAT way, what I really meant was.... [insert a different tack that doesn't make her look quite so obviously catty]'
Female-specific caricatures and a straw-man argument? It's too easy. :D

In your quote above, you're using imagery stereotypically associated with females, in this case "a couple of Midol" and "a nice hot cocoa", and using it to create a caricature (a rhetorical technique), as a prelude to your straw-man argument (more on that later). It's quite surprising for me to hear this coming from a female, as it sounds more like a rough-around-the-edges 20-something-year-old man-boy mocking a female to me.

In regards to the straw-man argument, to paraphrase, you state that I realized that "one cannot be ant-Semitic if one is Jewish". It is a classic straw-man argument (although it could be a reading comprehension problem as well), where a straw-man argument is defined as one used to sidestep and mischaracterize a point so as to make it appear weak or ridiculous. To me it fails in that one can simply look above to see my actual statements. Straw-man attacks work best when one cannot verify another's position so easily. :D

To summarize, this appears to be more of the same from you. You've shown yourself as someone who can create forceful and bitter written attacks against unnamed members of the SL community (here in this forum) and hateful expletive-filled personal attacks against specific individuals (in the SLUniverse forum). Why not add the use of female caricatures and straw-man attacks to your resumé?

~Ulrika~
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10-08-2005 12:25
From: Ulrika Zugzwang
It's quite surprising for me to hear this coming from a female, as it sounds more like a rough-around-the-edges 20-something-year-old man-boy mocking a female to me.


Ulrika,

I just wanted to point out that it has been my experience that some women are often more vicious in their judgement and description of each other than men are to women. The statement you just made is rather sexist. You are lamenting afemale-specific caricature attacks on one hand, then slur men using a male caricature on the other.
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