Malicious Office-Recall in Ravenglass

You have not a leg to stand on in any further complaints about use/misuse/abuse of tools provided, Prok. You deliberatly abused the rating system.

and what does a neg rating for appearance or building have to do with this.?
Obvious abuse of the rating system

A triple negrate on all three items is the strongest expression of disapproval you can muster. I think saying "fuck" and calling one's children "it" and hoping they don't get born or "sent" is cruel and nasty and deserves a trifecta.

It's never an abuse of the ratings system to *express your opion using it*. The idea that you can't negrate people for their nasty behavior on the forums -- and really let them have it -- is one of the reasons people feel such a sense of impunity on the forums.

LOL! I just love how you change what really happened to suit you. I don't have to defend myself here. I know what was said behind the scenes by you to me, IW and PM, which has developed my obvious dislike for you. Not to mention how you just slam and critisize everyone with and opinion that doesn't match yours.

MJ

P.S. Had I known you had/have children, my insult is not toward them, its you. You offering me your first born led me to believe a child hasn't been born yet. If in fact, you do have children why the hell are you offering them up to people. I took your remark as a saracastic one and there for I returned a saracastic reply. No serious insult was intended toward your children. Anyone with common sense would know this

ahhhh, now I understand, you got your feelings hurt in the forums and took it inworld.

It is, however, an abuse of the ratings system to neg rate appearance or building because of a persons behavior.

Stop dodging the real issue.

Again Prok, while I agree the attack was uncalled for; it was still within the confines of the tools given to us to use.

Morally was it wrong? Yes, no doubt.
Ethically was it wrong? Yes, again no doubt.
However, was it wrong via the current tool set?
Obviously not as it has been around for over 18 months or longer since its basic inception in Version 1.3.
If Linden Lab submits to your requests on this singular incident, Does this not make you more feted than those that you have accused in the past of controlling LL to make or stifle change?




Your previous actions as you so eloquently try to dismiss are your own words throughout these forums Prokofy.
Subjective? not at all, but, merely a concise observation of your previous retorts throughout several debates.
Ironically enough each of those debates some of the information you provide while quite intuitive of that particular situation at the time is quickly countered by you in your own words repeatedly.
Again merely an observation not an attack.



Hmmm, interesting self-analogy Prokofy. Does this mean you feel you are superior to the rest of us in SL to consider your methods any better than the rest of us? If you do then I humbly bow to your ignorance of how you are perceived.


I was making a point Prokofy not saying Leave SL. But I guess that is lost, as you failed to read the full context of the reply. The following retort you gave is prime example of this.




While Anshe was being used as an example of how to engage certain situations you took it and split it into two topics.
One expanding on the fact that you’re not going to leave.
Which is something I never encouraged.
But was merely pointing out failed attempts versus working methods with in the tool set given.
Which is the second part where you attempted to defend your own stance.
Simply put it was an outline of the differences of your style of “attack” to a problem versus the style of another’s “attack” to the problem.
Sorry that I was unclear in that rendition.





Veiled? LMAO how quaint you can take a word of cautionary advice and turn it into an attack against you.
Sorry, Prokofy today is not your day to be a Martyr over mincing of words.
I added the comment that it wouldn’t come from me as I have sat back lately and become a mere observer.
As a point of assurance I don’t have a multitude of Alts to come trudging forth to wage war with trivialities nor do I delve into such asinine attacks.
Again mere observations which I am freely able to tout even in lieu of you trying to point fingers at me as an attacker.


I never once elluded to you being run out, nor even suggested it.
You might want to reevaluate your understanding of the previous posts. But, if you have not seen it by now, you never will.
The only point I have proven thus far is your perceptions are not focused where they should be.
They “your perceptions” from observation seem more so on yourself and how you perceive at every turn you are being attacked.
I simply outlined differences in your methods of combating a situation to come to an equitable solution versus the solutions others have utilized.

Hmm, while a valid debatable topic it could be turned rather rapidly based on how the tool set works.
I do however only have one thing to say in this regard. “Closed Membership” Simple solution actually, simpler than having to have an Alt. It’s kind of how the tools were designed especially with the new tool that allows for listing of allowable prims on properties. Ah but who am I to mention this I’m just a mere observer.




Funny, I thought it was an announcement of a perception I had based on observation. Oh wait, I’m sorry, I forgot to announce it was a view point of observation my bad.



After reading this my perception still stands as you took off way into left field as from observation you still don’t get it and no matter how many people try to explain it to you, I don’t think you ever will.




Oh I’m sorry I’m trying so hard not be cynical.
I merely offered an expression of my hope while in the end wishing you the best in your future endeavors and you turn it to be about you.

Sorry that I offered any sort of expression of luck to you and you’re future endeavors.

Have a Day Prokofy

Shadow

Okay, that's your logic. Someone might say the same thing for a "recall vote". That is is the "strongest expression of disapproval you can muster".

Think about it. Both tools were used for purposes it was not designed for.

well said

I currently sport a fetching tripple neg rating from an individual that went on a bit of a content theft/resale rampage late last year. The neg rating was the price I paid for protesting before Philip finally stepped in and put the smackdown on her. I look upon the neg rating as a battle scar and I am proud to wear it.

Also, for the first time ever I got an abuse report filed against me this weekend. No surprise, it was Prokofy that filed it! (The abuse report is public info as (edited) posted it here: /120/0c/43640/1.html). This too makes me proud.

The moral of the story? Sometimes having a few black marks on your record for the right reasons can say better things about your character than a spotless record. I'm looking forward to when Prokofy eventually neg rates me with all his/her alts.

Neg rates and abuse reports from Prokofy...it's the new black!

Drat! I knew there was something I forgot to do before I took my "break" from SL. Prokofy, don't let me forget I wanted to neg rate you. I had been looking forward to it and it will make a nice home coming for me!

EDIT: Oh, and it will be only my second set of Negs given.. so it is a big deal for me at least.

At the risk of appearing to side with Prok , that isn't a good answer to the problem.

As anybody in business knows, "impulse" is very important to buying decisions. The ability to make a decision and buy on the spot is crucial. If you force people to WAIT until they are admitted to a group before renting, then they will get cold feet, find something else, get bored and go away or any number of things.

If griefers can so easily badger a merchant into closing their shop, that's dangerous. If its easy and permitted to interfere with commerce, you'll have worse problems than an occasional griefer. You'll have a mafia extracting concessions in return for not destroying your business.

Why not just put a button in the UI, right next to the ratings. If neg rating isn't satisfying enough, just push the "CAUSE FINANCIAL LOSS" button. That would be a really useful feature. After all, we're entitled to be able to cause financial losses with impunity, aren't we? Why not make it even easier?

There are very real, growth inhibiting problems that seem to almost get swept under the rug amidst the personality conflicts.

Buster

Oh.. I suppose I should add that I agree that it is kinda messed up that a group member could grief a group in this way. So I would certainly be in favor of better group controls that would eliminate this type of griefing.

I agree with you Buster. I think Cubey's suggestions on how to futher flesh out the group features were great. Another suggestion I can think of is to have the ability for open enrollment groups but have new joins who weren't invited by an officer have limited priveledges until additional ones are granted by an officer. We definitely need more group options so that groups can be specifically tailored to suit whatever the intended purpose is.

Philip himself??? Hmm, I guess I won't be bothering him with my problems *just* yet LOL.





Yes, and you are engaging in that abuse again, so a second AR gets filed
Yes, it's too bad your impunity has had such a free ride for so long.



No, sometimes having a "few" black marks on your record can show that you are not the perfect person you claim to be

How is linking to a publicly available thread abuse? pfft

hmmmm we could have here an abuse of the abuse reporting abuse report!!!

Sadly for Prokofy, The Lindens process abuse reports based on their validity, not their quantity. This is what Prokofy refers to as "impunity".

Still, I think it's worth it to get a little dirty for a good cause...

"Do not be too moral. You may cheat yourself out of much life. Aim above morality. Be not simply good; be good for something." -Henry David Thoreau

Actually Buster it’s quite an equitable answer as it uses the tool set as it was designed and offers a relief venue if a “Consumer” turns out to be the “Renter from Hell”

But please explain why a "Rental" needs a group?
Are there not several locations that use a simple rental script?
Where you rent and the box reduces to a certain size till the rent is up thus allowing the person usage?
With the new tools how hard would it be to simply add a person’s name to the list of users able to place prims on your property with auto return on?

If it’s an apartment or house could the same not be done for the doors? Thus allowing a renter to start moving in until the landowner had a chance to greet or note card the new tenant?

Effectively with the tenant not being in the group of landowners there is no way it will ever be brought into question about a recall. Hence my statement about “Closed Group”.

I mean seriously, does “Days Inn” bring you into the company for a night?
There by allowing you to share in the dividends of sales just for merely renting a room from them for a night or two. I think not.

Sorry but your arguments and philosophy are not holding water.
Next?

This is nothing new. Porkofy has called for mass neg rate campaigns frequently.

Interesting when contrasted with his demands that people state whether or not they will follow the ToS.

While I consider you friend please clue me in here as I am not understanding quoting Prokofy's disallusion or were you attempting to quote Prokofy and had me on the brain?

Shadow

Ha ha. I got Prokooky's stamp of approval too! Maybe that's the definition of being in the FIC.

~Ulrika~

We need to put up a score card somewhere!

After seeing Prokofy's responces in this thread its no wonder why someone joined and used the group tools to oust she/he/ it ...Shit.... When you are a bad leader people want you out.