Another Activist Judge Overrules the Will of the People

Why stop at marriage? Let us apply your logic to everything in the world so we can see just how absurd the "slippery slope" argument is.

We can't let gay people in the military. Because if we move that line and let them in the military, then the next thing you know we will have to let children and kittens into the military. And let's face it, a cat would look pretty silly flying a fighter jet!

-I've already stated my support for gays openly serving in the military.

What about voting? If we start letting gay people vote, then we will have to let children vote. Worse yet, we will have to let parakeets vote. Do you really want your Presidential election decided by a parakeet?

-Gays already have the right to vote

Basically, anything we let gay people do, we will eventually have to let children and pets do. Given this revelation, I think we should start taking a long hard look at the righst gay people currently posess and take them away. We can stop the slippery slope.

Just say no to kittens driving tanks. It's not good for you and it's not good for America!

Where do you draw the line Kiamat? How much do you love America? How many rights must I lose so that you feel safe?

*sigh* Sometimes I wonder why I even bother responding to your comments, Neehai. Why don't you take a page from Juro's book? His arguments are direct, succint, and intelligent. He gets his point across without sounding like a jerk.

-Kiamat Dusk

-I've already stated my support for gays openly serving in the military.

Precisely my point. People act as if the whole child marriage thing is all in my fevered mind, but it's not.

So now that you've drawn the line-what are you going to tell these people who say to you all that you've said to me. What will you say when they argue "What goes on in our bedroom is no one's business." and "Who are you to press your morality on us?".

Juro,

Those scriptures were to explain my *own* postion on homosexuality. In no way do I espouse a desire to see a theocracy of any kind.

-Kiamat Dusk

Also, Christiano, Juro wasn't giving me a free pass, he was having an intelligent discourse with me rather than resorting to name calling and vicious attacks of which you and Neehai are so fond. I'm a Christian, and I'll tell you no church I've ever been to has equated homosexuals

Well said, Cristiano.

Kiamat, you may not have noticed it, but people are currently being rounded up and interred, with no accusation of a crime, no trial, no legal representation, and no rights, simply for being members of the wrong ethnic group.

-Really? Who are these poor people? I'm sure you're NOT talking about the *terrorists* who were rounded up and put in Gitmo, NOT because they were "members of the wrong ethnic group", but because they were shooting at our miitary. As I said before in this thread, the ONLY time people were "rounded up and interred, with no accusation of a crime, no trial, no legal representation, and no rights, simply for being members of the wrong ethnic group" was in WWII with the Japanese-Americans and a Democrat in the White House.

I'm pretty sure you haven't noticed this, either, but this administration is fond of demonizing people; which is a long standing manipulative ploy, used for millennia, to marginalize one group of people in order to frighten others into allowing the rulers to do anything they choose.

-Demonizing whom? Saddam Hussein? Osma bin Laden? They didn't need any help.

When one group dehumanizes another, only the first group actually suffers a loss of humanity.

-Tell that to Neehai who consistently refers to heterosexuals as "breeders". I notice you've been mum on that count, but had I called him a "fag" you'd have been all over me.

However, unless you were being sarcastic again, all I can say is that, if you sincerely believe that there is no evidence that the current administration has lied - not simply Bush, but DeLay, Frist, and all the others, if you truly believe that there really were Weapons of Mass Destruction in Iraq,

-I believe that liberating the Iraqi people was the right thing to do, WMDs or not.

if you truly believe that Tom Delay has broken no laws,

-I believe that remains to be seen in an investigation which the Democrats have been holding up. Why? Because there is a laundry list of Dems who have done the same.

if you truly believe that AIDS can be transmitted through sweat and tears, that teaching Abstinence Only keeps kids from having sex,

-I believe asbistence only is better than teaching them the finer points of fellatio and sodomy.

that the torture in Abu Ghraib was mild and justified,

-The "torture" in Abu Ghraid was overhyped and nothing worse than what happens in frat hazings every year on college campuses around the world. You wanna talk torture, talk to a Vietnam POW.

that Bush served out his term in the National Guard with honor, and all the rest of it, then I can only assume that you have chosen to dismiss the piles and mounds of evidence that have been collected.

-What evidence? You mean the CBS memos?

-Tell that to Neehai who consistently refers to heterosexuals as "breeders".

However, unless you were being sarcastic again, all I can say is that, if you sincerely believe that there is no evidence that the current administration has lied - not simply Bush, but DeLay, Frist, and all the others, if you truly believe that there really were Weapons of Mass Destruction in Iraq, if you truly believe that Tom Delay has broken no laws, if you truly believe that AIDS can be transmitted through sweat and tears, that teaching Abstinence Only keeps kids from having sex, that the torture in Abu Ghraib was mild and justified, that Bush served out his term in the National Guard with honor, and all the rest of it, then I can only assume that you have chosen to dismiss the piles and mounds of evidence that have been collected.

Also, I don't want Liberals dead. I just want them to admit that they hate America.

-Demonizing whom? Saddam Hussein? Osma bin Laden? They didn't need any help.

Originally Posted by Kiamat Dusk
I'm a Christian, and I'll tell you no church I've ever been to has equated homosexuals

-Ummm...how about posting the entire quote? Here, lemme help.




And the Left wing movement to eradicate public displays of Christianity and pressing along with the gay marriage initiative are *not* examples of the Left "trying to push their twisted values down the throats of those that don't share them"?




Wow. That's a whole lot of acceptance of diversity there. And so much for the First Amendment you mentioned earlier.

Sounds awfully hypocrital to me.

-Kiamat Dusk

How about "activist judges?" This term is a red herring thrown out to firm up uncertain support for the Neo-HUAC crowd's judicial nominees. Genuine conservatives are getting hip to the fact that we have a radical (i.e. non-conservative) administration. It started when we rolled through Afghanistan on into Iraq--not a disagreeable move for the grass-roots, but definitely not conservative. Then there was the federal Dibs on Marriage Act--not an issue any conservative would consideral federal business. Finally comes the Social Security debate--overhauling anything, particularly with an eye toward increasing risk, ain't so conservative. Seems like these folks are more interested in scoring points for their team than they are in "conserving" anything. So, as word spreads that Bush & Co could put a lot of judges in lifetime appointments, it might occur to genuine conservatives that, well, that might unbalance things (see, balance is pretty central to actual conservative thinking). All of a sudden, Bush's support isn't quite so firm, and w/out constituent pressure to toe the line, some legislators might actually vote based on the qualifications of the candidates.

Well, what do you do to drum up support, especially in this administration? Declare an enemy. Point at someone and make up a buzz-word. And here you are, Kiamat, concerned about "activist judges." Someone get the President a flight-suit: Mission Accomplished.

Are heterosexuals not breeders? Please correct me if I am wrong. Is that not your function?

Calling me a fag is a hateful term and it shows just how much of a fucking asshole you are. You were just salivating like a rabid dog at the chance to use the word. That's pretty sad.

Breeder is not a hateful term, it is merely a descriptive term. Heterosexuals breed. Heterosexuals are breeders.

If it makes you feel any better, you can call me by my descriptive name, Ass Bandit.

And the Left wing movement to eradicate public displays of Christianity and pressing along with the gay marriage initiative are *not* examples of the Left "trying to push their twisted values down the throats of those that don't share them"?

I'm going to try really hard here and pretend that you are just playing stupid. First off, not all heterosexual relationships produce children. Moreover, not all heterosexuals are able to have children for physical reasons.

That "breeder" is a derogative term is evident in your use of it. There are far more to heterosexual life than breeding.

This is an igniis fatuus, as I myself very firmly believe several of these things and I am a big mean fag.

I can vouch for the mean fag part, though the "big" part's a stretch.

Also, Kiamat, there are a number of theologically sound churches that accept -- even embrace -- homosexuals. In fact, MCC's target audience is the gay community, and there are several individual churches affiliated with mainline denominations that have gay-friendly congregations.