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Neehai Zapata
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05-20-2005 06:25
What were the Senate divisions during those terms?
What were the toal number of judges appointed?
I still believe your numbers are suspect at best.
This isn't about a filibuster, this is about cloture. If the country and the senate were not so closely divided this would not be an issue.
I don't see what is so hard to understand about this process. It is a safeguard to ensure that a simple majority doesn't make radical changes to the government. The beauty of the US is moderation.
At least Clinton took his lumps and made the necessary compromises to get the job done instead of trying to change the rules. That is what made him a great leader. He even made compromises that pissed off Democrats, but it was the right thing to do at the time to get the job done.
The "nuclear option" is a sign of weakness, failure and cowardice on the part of the Republican party.
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Xtopherxaos Ixtab
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05-20-2005 06:37
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Arcadia Codesmith
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05-20-2005 06:59
From: Neehai Zapata The "nuclear option" is a sign of weakness, failure and cowardice on the part of the Republican party. I think that's the type of overly-broad statement that's getting us into shouting matches rather than rational discussions. It's a small number of Republicans that are pushing this, headed by Mr. Frist. The rest of the party may go along with it in the name of party unity, but the more moderate members are not at all happy with the nuclear option and have said as much. I don't believe that the ones who ARE pushing for the nuclear option have any real interest in "fairness", beyond the belief that using the word repeatedly will shore up their eroding support among the voters. And if presidents are finding their judicial nominees are getting shot down more often, maybe that says more about the quality of the nominees than about the process. Moderate, well-qualified jurists are having no problems getting confirmed, even if they express conservative (or liberal) leanings. The few getting blocked are the ones whose views are blatantly biased. And even a mediocre jurists with few redeeming personal characteristics can get a seat on the highest court in the land. Ask Clarence Thomas. |
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Neehai Zapata
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05-20-2005 15:09
From: someone I think that's the type of overly-broad statement that's getting us into shouting matches rather than rational discussions. It's a small number of Republicans that are pushing this, headed by Mr. Frist. The rest of the party may go along with it in the name of party unity, but the more moderate members are not at all happy with the nuclear option and have said as much. So you don't support it but you vote for it? John Kerry is not a Republican last time I checked. 
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Garoad Kuroda
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05-21-2005 00:32
Isn't it kind of hard to talk about cloture without mentioning filibuster? Since one is meant to overcome the other, I don't see your point. But again I've barely even touched base on that topic yet. We're discussing apples and oranges here. The questions you posed which ARE about what I'm trying to focus on are good ones so I threw together a rather imperfect summary to answer that (attached jpg). (haha I hope nobody was under the delusion that I had a life) I'm still not seeing anything to indicate that partisan bullshit isn't the primary cause of this trend. Got any other theories? "Quality of the nominees" seems like the only other explanation left, but over about 4 different R and D presidencies over like 20 years? Dunno.... In light of this, if you believe the appointment of high level justices is an exceptional enough case, I can perhaps see how you would also believe that the nuclear option is needed to fight excessive deadlock to keep the judicial branch operating...
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WTF is C3PO supposed to be USEFUL for anyway, besides whining? Stupid piece of scrap metal would be more useful recycled as a toaster. But even that would suck, because who would want to listen to a whining wussy toaster? Is he gold plated? If that's the case he should just be melted down into gold ingots. Help the economy some, and stop being so damn useless you stupid bucket of bolts! R2 is 1,000 times more useful than your tin man ass, and he's shaped like a salt and pepper shaker FFS!
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