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Prokofy Neva
Virtualtor
Join date: 28 Sep 2004
Posts: 3,698
05-15-2005 19:41
From: Aimee Weber
Those don't even apply! Are you picking them randomly now?!?!



Put out your own positive ideas in a thread rather than ranting against someone else’s ideas you find in a thread you don’t like.

Don’t assume you have the only access to the truth.
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Artemis Fate
I'm a big stupid-face.
Join date: 24 Oct 2003
Posts: 746
05-15-2005 19:42
Generally if I see someone with triple neg rates I think "Well the person who neg rated them was so angry that he rated all three even though they're irrelevant, well they must not have been thinking straight and they'll probably regret those negs later" If I see one neg in behaviour then I know that the person who neg rated them was thinking properly and knew exactly what they didn't like about the situation.

Therefor i'm much more wary about someone with negs like

Behaviour: -12
Appearance: -1
Building: -1

then someone like

Behaviour: -15
Appearance: -15
Building: -15

Besides, it's probably that high rates means they were group negged.

But ultimately lately i'd come to the conclusion that neg ratings are meaningless in general, and that the real loser in a neg rating is the person who spends close to 100L$ trying to kick up a person's neg rates by 1 point that'll disappear in 6 months anyways.
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Aimee Weber
The one on the right
Join date: 30 Jan 2004
Posts: 4,286
05-15-2005 19:43
From: Prokofy Neva
Put out your own positive ideas in a thread rather than ranting against someone else’s ideas you find in a thread you don’t like.

Don’t assume you have the only access to the truth.


Don’t hide an insult in a rhetorical question, or package a vituperative reposte in an alleged generic statement that everyone can see is targeted at one person.

Don’t assume you have the only access to the truth.

Put out your own positive ideas in a thread rather than ranting against someone else’s ideas you find in a thread you don’t like.
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Malachi Petunia
Gentle Miscreant
Join date: 21 Sep 2003
Posts: 3,414
05-15-2005 19:49
From: Prokofy Neva
I think the triple neg is a special act that should not be used in excess, and not just some random griefing, and not just to disagree with some random forum poster.

I think it should be saved for that repeat, egregious, unrepentent forum harasser who constantly makes person attacks and engages in malicious slander.
Rules are cool when you get to make special case exceptions for your own conduct, aren't they?

I just wanted to get my shot at a trip-neg from Prok-baby for repetitive, egregious, unrepentant mockery. But I think that my darling Proky has really got me beat in the "mockery of Prok" department with this one. Haven't you sweety? Does this mean you have to trip-neg yourself?
pandastrong Fairplay
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Join date: 16 Aug 2004
Posts: 2,920
05-15-2005 19:50
From: Malachi Petunia
Rules are cool when you get to make special case exceptions for your own conduct, aren't they?

I just wanted to get my shot at a trip-neg from Prok-baby for repetitive, egregious, unrepentant mockery. But I think that my darling Proky has really got me beat in the "mockery of Prok" department with this one. Haven't you sweety? Does this mean you have to trip-neg yourself?


Topic on stay!
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Lordfly Digeridoo
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Join date: 21 Jul 2003
Posts: 3,628
05-15-2005 19:52
Stop Feeding The Troll
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Cienna Samiam
Bah.
Join date: 13 Mar 2005
Posts: 1,316
05-15-2005 19:55
From: Dnate Mars
I think that this is all the rules that where suggested in this thread. Does anyone have a valid reason why any of these suggestions would not work well, or maybe more that could be added to the list? I know that these are not set in stone, but maybe we could have more useful discussion of what would make these forums better?


The reason no one is taking this thread seriously (myself included) is because the person who posted it is the posterchild of never, ever following those rules. Indeed, more often than not, this individual is the instigator who does precisely the opposite at every opportunity.

This individual enjoys harrassing those with whom they disagree, They enjoy insuring any attempt at discussion made can be immediately derailed, and they enjoy the attention and infamy they receive as a direct result of their constant acting out and disruption of these forums. The term used to describe behavior that seeks as its only goal the spotlight is 'attention whoring' and this individual is, without doubt, a skilled attention whore, to the detriment of any forum or thread in which they make an appearance.

It is not that they are bad ideas, it is that, after watching this individual flout and ignore them for almost two months straight, I am absolutely certain this individual posted this thread only to further rub the community's nose in the fact that they continue to break them at every turn with what appears to be absolute impunity.

There is no 'useful discussion' to be had when this individual is involved, as any discussion which does not focus around them or their ideas is castigated and dragged off-topic repeatedly until it is either locked or moved out of the eye of the community -- tactics that I am frankly surprised Linden Labs has not gained better awareness of by this point in time.

Do yourself a favor and take some time to search out posts made by this individual over the last six months. Outside of advertisments for their in-world goods, there is not one post lacking some form of venom, hostility, instigation, or deliberately inflammatory effort.

Not one.

That really is telling.

If this individual had ANY interest in a legitimate improvement of Linden Lab's product or the social constructs at work within it, they would not act in such consistantly negative and disruptive fashion. The facade of 'concern' is one behind which this individual has hidden regularly and used with success in garnering attention for themselves at the expense of the community at large.

This individual has absolutely no credibility as a serious participant in the community discourse because this individual has repeatedly demonstrated a complete lack of interest in or commitment to the things that make a community strong -- cooperative discourse, compromise, and a willingness to work with others rather than against them.

This thread is a classic example of the manner in which this individual solicits attention and, unfortunately, it remains a successful means for them to do so.

But kindly do not delude yourself with regard to the motivations or intentions of this individual. As you can see even in the their responses here, their only interest is in inflamming and annoying others. It is a shame that genuinely good ideas can be tools of divisiveness and aggitation merely because the largest hypocrite and attention whore in the community is saying them, but then again, no one likes to see the ideals toward which any community strives (failing as they often do) used as a shield behind which further dissent may be sown.
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Frischer Frosch
Join date: 15 May 2003
Posts: 7,141
05-15-2005 19:57
From: Prokofy Neva
Put out your own positive ideas in a thread rather than ranting against someone else’s ideas you find in a thread you don’t like.

Don’t assume you have the only access to the truth.

"It is most true, it is without error, it is the sum of verity: That which is beneath is like that which is above, and that which is above is like that which is below, for the performance of the wonders of one thing. As all things were created from the Mind of One, so all things arose by modification of this One Thing. It is so with our Substance. Its father is the Sun, its mother the Moon. The Wind bore it in its belly. The earth is its nurse. The father of all, the Thelema of the whole world, is here. Its strength is undiminished if it is changed into earth. Separate the earth from the fire, the subtle from the gross, gently, but with great skill. It rises from earth to heaven, and again descends to the earth, and receives the strength of things above and of things below. Thus you have the glory of the whole world, and all darkness will flee way from you. This is the strength of every strong thing; it overcomes every subtle thing, and penetrates all solids. In this way was the world created. These are the wonderful modifications, the manner of which I have described. Hence I am called Hermes Trismegistus, having the three parts of the wisdom of the whole world. I have now said all I have to say concerning the operation of the Sun."

-Hermes Trismegistus, The Emerald Tablet.


"It is man, therefore—the ‘mind’ or ego of the human being—that learns to draw truth out from its hidden place, the cave of the heart. Whilst man is the mind or intelligence which knows some things but is ignorant about others, its true soul (Truth) is its illumined aspect which is enlightened and knows the truth, and hence is itself a shining orb of light. By undergoing death and rebirth countless times, represented by the clock face and the hands which go round and round, man gains sufficient experience to gradually discover and know the truth: hence he brings forth Truth from his own heart, the purest and most loving part of himself, and helps draw it out from the hearts of others and all nature. This symbolism is a depiction of Philosophy, the ‘love of wisdom’, which produces Philanthropy."

-Peter Dawkins
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Weedy Herbst
Too many parameters
Join date: 5 Aug 2004
Posts: 2,255
05-15-2005 19:59
From: Cienna Samiam
The reason no one is taking this thread seriously (myself included) is because the person who posted it is the posterchild of never, ever following those rules. Indeed, more often than not, this individual is the instigator who does precisely the opposite at every opportunity.

This individual enjoys harrassing those with whom they disagree, They enjoy insuring any attempt at discussion made can be immediately derailed, and they enjoy the attention and infamy they receive as a direct result of their constant acting out and disruption of these forums. The term used to describe behavior that seeks as its only goal the spotlight is 'attention whoring' and this individual is, without doubt, a skilled attention whore, to the detriment of any forum or thread in which they make an appearance.

It is not that they are bad ideas, it is that, after watching this individual flout and ignore them for almost two months straight, I am absolutely certain this individual posted this thread only to further rub the community's nose in the fact that they continue to break them at every turn with what appears to be absolute impunity.

There is no 'useful discussion' to be had when this individual is involved, as any discussion which does not focus around them or their ideas is castigated and dragged off-topic repeatedly until it is either locked or moved out of the eye of the community -- tactics that I am frankly surprised Linden Labs has not gained better awareness of by this point in time.

Do yourself a favor and take some time to search out posts made by this individual over the last six months. Outside of advertisments for their in-world goods, there is not one post lacking some form of venom, hostility, instigation, or deliberately inflammatory effort.

Not one.

That really is telling.

If this individual had ANY interest in a legitimate improvement of Linden Lab's product or the social constructs at work within it, they would not act in such consistantly negative and disruptive fashion. The facade of 'concern' is one behind which this individual has hidden regularly and used with success in garnering attention for themselves at the expense of the community at large.

This individual has absolutely no credibility as a serious participant in the community discourse because this individual has repeatedly demonstrated a complete lack of interest in or commitment to the things that make a community strong -- cooperative discourse, compromise, and a willingness to work with others rather than against them.

This thread is a classic example of the manner in which this individual solicits attention and, unfortunately, it remains a successful means for them to do so.

But kindly do not delude yourself with regard to the motivations or intentions of this individual. As you can see even in the their responses here, their only interest is in inflamming and annoying others. It is a shame that genuinely good ideas can be tools of divisiveness and aggitation merely because the largest hypocrite and attention whore in the community is saying them, but then again, no one likes to see the ideals toward which any community strives (failing as they often do) used as a shield behind which further dissent may be sown.


Sound advice.
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Tang Lightcloud
Sweet & Juicy
Join date: 22 May 2004
Posts: 377
05-15-2005 20:00
So. . .. . then what your saying here is that there is no hope for a big hug and handshake.

Shucks. Thought we had something here, bleh, night all going to bed.

Waves turn out the lights.
Nolan Nash
Frischer Frosch
Join date: 15 May 2003
Posts: 7,141
05-15-2005 20:06
From: Tang Lightcloud
So. . .. . then what your saying here is that there is no hope for a big hug and handshake.

Shucks. Thought we had something here, bleh, night all going to bed.

Waves turn out the lights.

Plenty of room for a big hug, except there will be one who refuses to participate. One who will stand off to the side and point it's gnarled finger at the hug, and wail with the force of 10,000 banshees in a mind numbingly trite fashion. :o
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StoneSelf Karuna
His Grace
Join date: 13 Jun 2004
Posts: 1,955
05-15-2005 20:08
From: Jake Reitveld
((we are on page nine, stone))

page 4 to me.
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Dnate Mars
Lost
Join date: 27 Jan 2004
Posts: 1,309
05-15-2005 20:09
Cienna:
I have read his posts. I do understand why the thread is what it is. The ideas that are here are good ones. I really didn't want it all to be lost in the shuffle.
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This forum is weird.
Chip Midnight
ate my baby!
Join date: 1 May 2003
Posts: 10,231
05-15-2005 20:30
From: Dnate Mars
Cienna:
I have read his posts. I do understand why the thread is what it is. The ideas that are here are good ones. I really didn't want it all to be lost in the shuffle.


They're all common sense so there's really no need for anyone to compile a list as if they're all great new ideas. This thread is nothing more than damage control and attempted manipulation of public opinion after stepping so far over the line it's amazing he wasn't banned. This thread, started by this particular poster, is an insult to our collective intelligence.
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Robin Linden
Linden Lifer
Join date: 25 Nov 2002
Posts: 1,224
05-15-2005 20:35
OK. You made it to 10 (even 11) and I think it's time to quit before the insults get out of control.
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