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Lindar Lehane
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04-21-2005 16:43
Yes, lol, its uncanny !
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Chance Abattoir
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04-21-2005 17:12
From: Lindar Lehane If each of these people had found their religion for themselves as thinking adults, Chance, then you would be absolutely right, of course.
But many, perhaps the majority, had kin and social support group feed them these belief systems from the youngest age, with the implicit instruction that this was the truth, to be accepted without question.
Some come to make their own re-appraisal and reach their own decision as they grow to adulthood. But many do not.
If they accidentally reach a third paragraph before they switch off, they just might glimpse the real destination, or maybe the real origins and original motivations, of what they have accepted. The critical faculties of just a few might flicker into life.
Yep. I know. I'm a hopeless optimist. Gotta try though, haven't we ? For the sake of the children ? Its all beginning to get SERIOUS. "They just might catch a glimpse"... That sounds like the exact same logic that motivates religious proselytizers to make assholes of themselves. Just because you are correct doesn't mean that they won't think of you the same way you think of someone trying to shove a bible down your throat. I don't think it matters how someone found their world view. The point I'm getting at is that empirical laws and faith are both at the root assemblage point of reality for a person. If you believe in empirical laws or faith, that belief will dictate how you assemble your experience of the world. If what I'm saying makes sense to you, then it's easy to see how people can be jealous and become angry-- You are threatening their very grasp of the world when you challenge their faith. This is why people don't listen. This is why they must be allowed to find the answers on their own (or at least be allowed to think they've found the answers on their own). People think that if they suddenly lose the meaning in their life that life will have no meaning, but that's not true. The experience of life itself is a meaning unto itself, but there's no way to really understand that beyond a bunch of words until you've gone nuts yourself and come back to sort through it. That's not to say we don't need meaning, we do (otherwise we'd float in madness forever), but some meanings are more useful than others. Some are very very outdated. 
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David Cartier
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04-21-2005 19:58
From: Lindar Lehane Does no-one else find it horrific that the leader of the most powerful nation on earth is making decisions that intimately affect the survival and happiness of our children ? WHEN...
...He openly claims that one of his fundamental assumptions is that reality-as-we-know-it will shortly be wiped out. Making the ordinary real-world welfare of those children irrelevant ? They'll never get to a normal future ? The whole world ?
And he WELCOMES this destruction ??????
This doesn't anger and frighten you ?
You WELCOME progress towards DESTRUCTION of known reality ?
For EVERYONE ??
And you think you're sane, benevolent, caring and responsible ?
Telling your kids this ? Encouraging Zionist aggression as a step towards it ?
I'm just horrified. Roman Catholics and Orthodox Christians really DON'T follow all of that Book of Revelations End of the World crap in any doctrinal way. It's much more of an evangelical protestant diversion/hobby. |
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David Cartier
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04-21-2005 20:07
From: Alex Lumiere It is my understanding that the pre-Israeli state did something similiar when it lobbied the US and other Allied countries to set strict limits on immigration for displaced Jews after WWII, thus "encouraging" their settlement in what is now Israel, boosting the population there and increasing likelihood of a viable Jewish State. Many European Jews would have preferred to move to the US or England but could not do so due to these restricitve policies. Imagine the state of the Middle East now if most of the European Jewry would have been able to successfuly been able to move to the US... That's right. We let hardly any into the US before the war, either, but Mexico, Cuba, Argentina and Brazil welcomed almost all that we turned away. Others were forced to return to Europe and, most of them, were murdered. After the war, they literally had to sneak into Israel, since the British were trying to keep them out. |