New Pope: former Nazi

Your kids are only Nazis if they get a Delorean and go back in time to join Hitler's Jungen. I think you're confusing military service with (master?) race.

It's funny how apologists always say, "It was compulsory!" -And then talk about how they didn't do anything bad. That's easy to say when the world is on a witch hunt. Which is better, to do nothing or to join the military force of an oppressor commiting war crimes and atrocity and still "do nothing?" Anyways, that wasn't my point at all for posting this. We could argue that all day long.

My only point was to make people aware of the fact that he was a Nazi because it's funny and ironic.

In my speculation, he was chosen to fullfill the Malachy prophecies (google Malachy + prophecy).

In order for the Malachy prophecies to hold true to the timeline of the scriptures, this guy has to die pretty fast so that the Antichrist can name the false Messiah and begin the cycle of Rapture before Christ returns, stands at Zion, and claims his kingdom.

I dunno.. I guess they're banking on either scenario I or scenario IV.

So "Benedict" (also a ploy on the Malachy prophecies) was an obvious choice for the catholic church. If the Christian scriptures are true, this means that either the church is trying to extend the length of it's power (since it's own doctrinations spells it's own demise either way) OR they're getting ready for armageddon.

If they're right and it's scenario IV they're banking on, we'll probably see armageddon in 7 - 13 years! w00t.

From what I remember of my history lessons, one of the hallmarks of the Nazi party was that they considered "being Jewish" to be a racial trait rather than a religious belief. You were still a Jew even if you didn't practice that faith, or had converted to another, because you were born from Jewish parents....or even grandparents.

I'd respectfully submit that you were married by a FORMERLY Jewish, now Catholic, German priest.

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I'm also fairly certain that in order to convert to any flavor of Cristianity, one is required to revoke all former religions. Honestly, though, I'd be interested in hearing what Father V. would say about this. Next time you're in church, tell him that a conversation like this came up, and ask him, "So, if you don't find the question offensive, Father, how would you personally answer a question like this. Are you Jewish?"

I agree with this premise. Yes, he was in fact a Nazi, as people have said before at the age of 14. But to me, this is no different than the young men that were drafted during the Vietnam era...but these men went, and the worst thing that could have happened to them was jail. The worst thing that could have happened to this guy was death. So I don't think it's fair to judge him on being a Nazi.

On the hardline conservative issues...He's Catholic. Catholics are by tradition conservatives...Why would he stray from these issues.

HE'S WAY TOOOOOO OLD! WE'll be having another papal funeral before it's all said and done.

Well patriots consider it treason to act against orders -- most militaries expect absolute obedience... which unfortunately is license for the leaders to take advantage of unquestioning minds.

The US has committed documented war-crimes in it's efforts in Iraq... but if you desert your military or refuse your orders, you are ostracized by your freedom and liberty lovin' countrymen.

I always believe that every person who joins a military service should be fighting because they follow their leaders' ideology freely -- not out of economic necessity, by draft, or because once they're in they can't get out.

However, that's how it's always been. I'm pretty sure there were Nazi soldiers who would've loved nothing more than to go home to their families and be happy... however they'd have to wait for that day unless they risk being killed for treason. Sure they could stick their guns and flee... but that's a big risk.

And they may never have seen their families again.

So while I agree Chance, human history and behaviour patterns suggest that it's a rare case when a human being will put down the gun instead of committing an atrocity on order. Milgram certainly proved it so, and so has every major modern army.

Didn't the Mayan calendar end in 2012? Maybe Aztec. I don't know my indigenous history very well. I think the date was 12-12-2012, but I am a little dyslexic.

He is a so-called "interim" Pope.

Huh? Mayan?

St. Malachy -- a catholic priest who wrote a prophecy that documented 111 popes from the first until the end of the world. Wether it was the written word of God or not is still in speculation, but so far (though cryptic and questionable) it is considered that he hasn't been wrong yet.

There's also the conspiracy theory that since every pope is elected and named, that the prophecy is self-fulfilled by the church... but either way, their history is writing that the end of the Catholic church (and possibly the whole world) will be ending very soon.

I'm speculative considering well... I'm only discovering my spiritual side and it's not aligned with the catholic faith, that's for sure.

I think Nastrodamus (sp?) supposedly said that a major, devestating war would begin in 2027 and last for like 24 years or something..I dunno..my brain cells are a bit on the dead said..

Nostradamus has also only been right a VERY small percentage of the time. Even when he was right, he was only "sort of right."

The Mayan calendar does end in 2012, which eerily seems to coincide with the papal Malachi Prophecies. The Mayan calander, as of the 1500's, was more accurate than any European calendar then in use and, unlike European calendars, was calculated to an end date rather than as a perpetual calendar. There's been a bit of discussion about this, particularly among end-of-days conspiracy buffs.

BTW, I thought that no outsider ever gets to see the Malachi Prophecies? How would we know the significance of any name that the new pope chooses? Did the world at large already know that "bennedict" was next on the list? If not, how does this advance the credibility of these rumored prophecies? Do we already know the next one's name? (I understand that the final name on the list was supposed to be "peter", coming full-circle.)

Oh the malachy prophecies have been leaked for years.

Consider:

Concerning Gloria Olivae ("The Glory of the Olive", Mr. Bander points out that the Order of St. Benedict is otherwise known as the "Olivetans" and that their tradition holds that this Pope will be of their order. Mr. Dupont's conclusions and those of others, reinforce Mr. Bander regarding the Gloria Olivae, for this would seem to be none other than that miraculously designated Pope who, after a horrible period of world turmoil, will, by his exemplary holiness, convert masses of people and leaders of nations to the Roman Catholic Church. During his pontificate there will be "one fold and one shepherd." (John 10:16. And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.)

It's considered that under many of the different scenarios speculated at this point, we should see a brief period of peace and the faithful Jewish converting to catholicism en masse during the reign of Gloria Olivae. Some may even go as far to say that every religion will convert to catholicism.

Essentially Benedict is predicted to convert entire countries to catholicism during his short reign.

A good web source is: http://www.jpdawson.com/lastpope.html#12

How likely is that? I dunno. But that's why I think he took the name, "Benedict"

So that's when things peter out. Wokka Wokka Wokka

Is this before or after they insert cruciform parasites into our backs?

Actually, one possible scenario is that John II was the last and Benedict is the false prophet who will reveal the anti-christ.

But the heads of the catholic church REALLY don't that to be the case.

Though with the recent "Road to Peace" talks in Isreal have put the Vatican in a position to "sign the covenant" that will bring in the era of peace where the anti-christ will surface and reveal the false-messiah before the cycle of rapture.

heh.. that would be the worst scenario for the church.

Ok, I admit it. I'm the Antichrist- and it was this thread about pope Benedict that revealed me, not the pope himself.

German boys had no choice but to be nazi youth, at his age. Isn't that correct?

Well have fun with that. Tell big J I said, "sup" and uh... with all the armageddon stuff happening, I'd appreciate it if you people left jamaican patties and the Internet behind.

All the best to ya!

What are "jamaican patties?"

A very tasty concoction!

Traditionally it's made of ground ox-meat which is blended with a recipe of spices and baked in a golden pastry shell.

however, they're just ground beef nowadays unless you get the chance to go to a traditional carribean restaurant.

::throws up::

Ok, so if these prophecies have been leaked out, then you could have told me 5 years ago that the next pope would be a "Bennedict"?

If not, does that mean that either they haven't been leaked out, or they're not accurate in any useful way?

I thought that the prophecies were exactly that...a list of names of popes, starting with Peter the apostle and leading through the centuries into our time, when the list simply ends.....nothing specific predicted, but a list of names which has apparently held true through the years..... Might it be that one of the secret rituals of the Conclave is that new popes are assigned their name from the existing list, and do not actually choose it for themselves? Some sort of holy ritual, to be in line with their supposed prophecy? I'd personally put a hell (no pun intended) of a lot more weight in a prophecy that predicted their actual, baptismal names rather than their assumed papal identity.

Malachy never actually named each Pope; rather he used vague latin descriptions. Thus he never said, "Benedict will be the xth pope." Instead he refers to the 110/111th Pope as the 12th bud on the Gloria Olivae (or something to that effect -- I'm too lazy to go find the actual quote). Which is then theorized and generally accepted to refer to the Order of St. Benedict (noted to be also referred to as "The Olivetans" in the passage I quoted from).

That's why I believe that dude taking the papal name of "Benedict" is an effort by the church to guide it's fate according to the prophecised doctrines. Self-fullfilling or the will of God -- the catholic church doesn't have much time left. Either it's armageddon or millions of people around the world might get really cheesed.

Who knows... maybe in 7 years or so if there is no Armageddon, the Catholic church may fall and could start a war between the remaining two Abrahamic religions... which is probably why the Vatican is so involved in the "Road to Peace" talks...

which makes it kind of odd --

is it God's will through prophecy that the world is where it is at now;

or is it merely self-fullfilling and manufactured?

Or both?

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Definitely both, but not a paradox if we've manufactured God.