I Finally realized I can Celebrate Diversity!

I have a Remington Rand 1911a and a gentleman I know has a case with 2 Singer 1911's. (only 500 made by Singer)

On that not I really hope you were talking about celebrating the diversity of handguns.

Speaking of diverse - I happen to own serial number

LH 1 of 20
a LEFT handed 45.
It even ejects to the left!

The guy in charge turned down The Punisher, The Phantom, and Last Man Standing Production companies for the lefty models.
Then he up and died and the heirs cracked the safe and hauled out 20 frame sets and showed off the first unit at last years SHOT show in Orlando.

There are just some things you cant live without

Such as those SInger 1911's
Drooooooooooooooooooooooooooooolllllllllllllllllllllll

How do you figure there would be less killing? There are still as many combatants. The battle still has to be fought. If they can't shoot each other with guns they'll run each other through with edged weapons.

Like with a crossbow, or a slingshot, or a javelin, or a spear, or anything else they used before the advent of gunpowder?

Blowgun with dart tipped in s**t. Not instant, but lethal.

you've made valid points.. again. argh.. hehe..

i suppose what it really boils down to is that guns allow for more spontaneous, as well as accidental, killing. they also allow for larger amounts of people to be killed in less time..

and i just wish war could be fought by placing the people who are having the war in a room with a game console and a copy of their choice of fighting game.. whoever wins the game, wins the war.. and then they could live to play another day.

i'm a dreamer, i don't like war.. i don't like killing, human or non-human, unless there's good reason..

unfortunately, you're basically right.. humans have always found something to fight about and they have always figured out violent ways to show it.

oh well.. if you would all excuse me, i guess i'll go finish my death-dealing laser-ray of doom and destruction.. so i can go mow down all the wrong-thinking people, you know.. the ones who think different than me..

Grr, I know 8 ways to kill you with a ballpoint pen. >.<

only 8?

Well, I AM an amateur.

The problem with that comes after the game when the winner announces, "I kicked your ass at Tekken 2 so everyone in your country line up for the deathcamps."

This is so nice. Everyone exercising their First Ammendment rights. Just remember that the Second Ammendment was put in place to help assure that the First stay in place. Dont hate GUNS, Hate the Criminals who use them illegally.

ME:
*Proud NRA Life Member.
*Proud Gun Owner.
*Responsible CCW permit holder.

I own the same exact bushmaster that the Washington/Maryland sniper owned, I carry the same Kimber .45 that the Ohio Bomber favored and I have same AK that our former enemy had. Does that make ME a bad person?

1) Hunting is fine but in >MY< opinion it should be done out of need, not out of sport. But thats me and I dont frown on hunters.

2) Although I have never killed (an American). I would not hessitate to do so if either I or my family were threatened. ...Kidding about the American part LOL Nobody has been killed!

3) HEHE I have to add this, Plants are life too! YOU KILL, Darwin! (This is a JOKE!!!!)

Having said my thoughts on Firearms, I feel i have added nothing to this thread.. BYE!

Just had to give my points:

I'm a socially liberal democrat who does not own a gun or belong to the NRA or any other weapons organizations.

I do believe that:

- you should have the right to own a gun
- you should have the right to use a gun
- you should be required to have a background check before sale is final
- you should have to register the gun

We have to do all sorts of testing to drive a car and we have to register it, so why not a gun? We all know that people are the killers, not the guns, but that's precisely why you should have background checks/registration.

Just my opinion..

First things first!



*Me Too
*Me Too
*Me Too

Now... about that bushmaster
How much money is it gonna cost me to LIGHTEN that damned thing?
I started looking into the little nuance pieces to take out some of the heft off of the thing and it looks like I will pay more to lighten it up than I did for the initial rifle!
Oh yeah, one more thing... are you a Kimber over everything else kind of guy? I have been a Colt, then Kimber, then Wilson. Taste sort of evolved over time. Was wondering if others had gone the same route?

Lets see how far we agree shall we?

right to own a gun? CHECK!
right to use a gun? CHECK!
Background check? CHECK!
Register my gun? NEVER! EVER! UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES!

Why?
The last thing I want is some government agency having a list of which or how many guns I own!
Thats the FIRST place to start when they decide to start taking them away!
Right now, as it stands, there is already a transactional record between me and the gun store owner as required by ATF in their log books. It reads something like:
This Gun, Serial #, Sold to, Date of sale. how much.
What I do with it after that point is MY business. But it still ties my name to a firearm and I am not very happy about that.
Which is why I tend to shop at guns shows and buy from individuals. The records keeping isnt even a requirement when you buy from an individual.
Of course I keep my OWN list of Firearms and serial #'s for insurance purposes, but I have ZERO interest in being part of some giant Firearms owners database.

As a side note, some moron down here in florida has made a proposal that all of the concealed weapons holders names should be made available online at some state website. They said, "After all, its already a matter of public record! Why NOT post it on the web?"
Now think about that for a second....
Most of your CCW Holders have a CCW *because* they carry a firearm! Which means they OWN a firearm. Which means you just put a list up for Joe Criminal to use as a searchable database of addresses he is MOST LIKELY to find firearms during a burglery!
Sure its a matter of public record. But you dont see Joe Criminal down at the state capital records building doing name searches on microfiche!
But you give them a list on the web and its like a freaking all you can eat buffet of potential firearms related break-ins!

No Sir! I dont like it.

*i'm not white.
*i'm not male.
*i'm mainly liberal.
*i'm agnostic.
*i have never committed a crime beyond parking/speeding violations.
*i prefer the Sig Sauer p226.

Just out of curiousity, you dutifully register your car yes? The government knows about those two SUVs you own, and you faithfully renew your vehicle registrations. Vehicle registrations can also be searched pretty easily if you know the right sources, and a lot costlier than a gun to replace. How is it any different?

Cristiano

Cristiano,
It never fails! If I am the Apples guy, you are the Oranges guy. If I am Oranges, you are Apples.

About the only thing SUV and GUN have in common in this discussion is they both contain 3 letters in their spelling.

Besides, the founding fathers didnt guarantee me the right to bear cars. But I would say that would be the principal difference right there.

Sig makes a hell of a gun!
But what do you expect from a state with the motto:
"Live Free Or Die"
on their liscense plates?

Well it's hard to pursue happiness on foot...

"Sig makes a hell of a gun!"

No I don't!

Siggy.

I really like New Hampshire, too. Hope to get some land there if I am ever well-moneyed.

OK, I have to jump in here and remind people about history and the true intentions of the people who founded this country.


Why should gun registration never be required? Well, think for a moment about the REAL reason the founders of our country included the whole "guns are a right" bit.

It was NOT about giving us citizens the ability to shoot invaders from other countries.

It was NOT about hunting.

It was to provide the PEOPLE of our country with ARMS so that we would ALWAYS have the option of an ARMED REVOLUTION to kick out any oppressive government.

Yep...the founders of our country gave us the right to bear arms so that we could do what we did during the Revolutionary War. Kick out a government that was oppressing us. These founders were smart enought to realize that the biggest threat to our freedom and liberty would ultimately be OUR OWN GOVERNMENT if it ever "went bad" or if we got unscrupulous people in power.

Get it?? Now do you understand why having government registration records for firearms would be the WORST possible thing?

Read The Federalist Papers....it's all in there.

What Zero said

Actually, My kimber is the first 1911 I have ever owned. I do have several H&K USP's and a Mark 23 that I enjoy just as much as the Kimber. The Decocker in these is one thing i miss when i carry a cocked&locked kimber. I would preffer my first shot as double action. Just for the peace of mind to know that its less of a chance of blowing my balls of in the car! LOL But other than that. I think I would have to say if my life depended on it the order would be H&K Mark 23, Kimber Custom II TLE, H&K USP of any variant.

Actually it was for both of theses Thats why we are allowed to form militias. but well said either way!

One thing i would like to point out is that registration is not the only way the government can track guns. PA is one of the most GUn-Friendly states in the union. They do not require that you register firearms. When i bought my guns the shop keeps a copy of your transaction and a copy is forwarded to the State police. This is perfectly legal, is not registration and I forget the time frames allowed but the papers are supposed to be destroyed after a certain amount of time but to date the PASP has yet to delete any of these. This is a violation of state law being commited by the state police and i belive they are being sued over this.

Anyways, All you gun/non gun people should visit packing.org. This place is a brilliant resource for all things gun related. For the non-gun people it will open your eyes to exactly what gun owners face and dismiss alot of fiction you guys pick up from movies atc.

I maybe from the Libertarian Jew Fairy school of armed woodsdwelling rednecks, but I've never been comfortable with Glocks, either. I have a Glock 17 and like all of them it's just a bit too big and clumsy to be comfortable in my small hands, so I just got a new Heckler und Koch P2000 in .40. Very sweet little device.

I'm no expert by any means but I've been unhappy with the Glocks I've used because of the lack of a safety catch. Their documentation goes on and on about how unlikely they are to accidentally discharge but there's nothing to stop the trigger. I feel much safer with firearms I can switch off and know they're off.

Props to them for elegant design though.