Ask not what Jessie can do for you, but what you can do for Jessie

Yup that basicly sums it up, the sinarios I see possible are as follows:

1) Those involved in the other side of this argument gather enough people that the Lindens will aquiess and drop the TOS blanket over Jessie and they will be happy.
1a) If that happens and there are enough people who liked how jessie was before those will rally enough support and eventualy get a new 'no holds bared' sim.

2) Those involved in the other side of this argument gather support but not enough and the Lindens enjoy the debates and leave things as they are.

3) A new sim is made specificly with Jessies laws (or lack there of) stated more plainly and then those who see Jessie as the last bastion of Havok move their persuits away.

4) The concept of a combat (but still TOS regulated) sim sparks interest in the Lindens and a sim is created for this purpose.
4a) Jessie may or may not be affected by such a change.

While we're on the topic of SL combat, im working on a non-damage based combat system complex out in Zoe, for those interested in such things. Jack is working with me to that end, and the future looks pretty bright Contact me in game for more info, if youre interested in helping develop or test

That sounds pretty cool if I can be of assistance let me know. I cant get ahold of my scripting team, they've gone Non-Com for a while but if I could their pretty good (Archanox and Baba).

I've always thought that a combat system that had a basis other than 'damage' as the current system sees it would be benificial. Since the current system alows 'damage' to be set to 100% with out any basis for comparison standard combat equipment is only regulated by preferance. Anyone who wants to can kill in 1 shot (regardless of aim).

Anyhow if I get a chance in the near future I'd love to stop by and see how things are going with it, Sounds fun.

PS: In relation to the Jessie struggle.

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Go there. Its from the Scripting Boards. (Props to Wensday Grimm)

Definately. This has ALWAYS been my concern. The main problem with Jessie combat (in my opinion) is the lack of regulation. To this extent (and after having read a little deeper into your opinion on the 'Jessie Script War' notion), i'm thinking that perhaps First Person style combat in the traditional sense would be best executed in a more controlled environment, and would be very difficult to execute to the desired extent in a free-for-all zone such as Jessie.

Wow, i havent been to the forums in days and i read this.

G - we would GLADLY go to another sim, but to fact is, jessie is the only COMBAT SIM if there were more combat sims, we wouldnt be nere jessie any longer, but there arent. Us combatants are forced into two options.

1. Buy an ENTIRE SIM and make it all damage

2. Play in jessie.


option 2 is cheaper and more viable. And if i may bring up a dead point, G, go live in jessie for a day or two and tell me, just tell me, how pissed off you get. How long until you, this, "Veteran" , get fustrated of dieing or being bumped, and g, i really hate to see you keep calling jack a noob, i know you'll bring this point agianst me also, but jack builds some damn fine objects, perhaps better then what you can do, and hes a noob simply because he found sl later then you?

to conclude, play in jessie before you comment on jessie.

ps. me and boso are also working on a non damage based system (mainly boso.......ok all boso ), im creating the hub for the system where you can buy new weapons at the northmost position in mocha.

- Ryen Jade

weeha this was a wild little ride teh last time i checked it was just 3 pages. cheers to all of you and your creative criticism of my lil post

Jack O

Now back to SL

In my own defence, I only stated anything about my age as basis for stating that this was an old argument I've seen before. Frankly I walked in myself and amazed people with my first things. Newness to SL has nothing to do with skill in some cases.

Play in jessie before commenting on jessie is no good I'm afraid. Have you ever commented on anything that anyone else has done without walking a mile in their shoes? Were all guilty of opinions with lack of basis (depending on point of view).

2 may be cheaper but its no more viable. Get a group together, a large group of people who share your interest and petition the lindens for a group sim. I think you might be surprized by the results (See: Sage, Blue, Grey, Darkwood).

But back to lighter subjects. I look forward to getting my at home internet fixed up enough that I can com back to SL and see these non damage combat systems your working on. Archanox had one almost completed before he went MIA.

Agreed Jack, this has been an interesting, if heated discussion, I appologize to any I may have offended durring it but debates get this way when people feel strongly one way or the other on a subject. I wish Jack, Ryen and everyone the best luck in their persuits.

Wether I agree with them or not I always wish people are able to achieve their goals, as long as they are cognisent of the ramifications of them and mind the harm they might cause to others.

gwydeon anything which prevents you from EVER using your land or even move around is harrassment.

infact it even caused the game to mess up for me once or twice.

since i have home set in my land when i teleported home i got caught in the bumping thing and it prevented my attached items from loading.

so now i was stuck in a situation where
1:i was unable to move.

2:i was unable to use my land or even fly around the area.

3:i was unable to teleport anywhere because my attached objects werent loaded.


so this script gave me only 1 option,log off,and im sure that is something the lindens dont want to see happening.

now even then i didnt report abuse though,i wanted to find the little ass and make his secondlifein jessie hell.

anyways,even in jessie this situation is very rare,that was the first time i have ever been restricted from doing anything by a script.


ive been in jessie since it was made the only combat sim and this script was the most annoying and restricting one ever used in jessie in that entire time.

so i dont think its too much to ask that something like that be prohibited.

but there is a fine line as to what would be fine and what is restricting play completely so its the kind of situation that requires a case by case look.

Interesting way of looking at it (denial of use of your own land).

That argument I think would easily fall under the remaining few parts of the TOS currently in effect in the Jessie Sim.

Thing is, I've been fighting this argument stricktly based on what has been brought to the thread and no one has looked at it that way.

Now disalowing you from using your land was probably no the intent of the script (thow high level anoyance and problems was) so its hard to say whether it would fall under that or not.

Meh, I'm running out of arguments trying to run 3+ threads at once here. And most are turning into "Better taste!" "Less filling!" so I think im gona try and close them off and see how the lindens react to the current views expressed.

(( That and my Devil's Advocate stance is finaly getting people a little anoyed with me I think so I'm gona have to stop arguing for the sake of the argument heh ))

Wow, i finally stumble upon a topic in which i have been involved in, in-world. I would have a million statements about what happened to me from the scripts, as I was under all of them for a week. But i will try and sum this up to the least amount of typing i can. I have been living in Jessie since a day after i became a member of SL. Yes, i may be a newb to some, but i still know the rules. And also which rules do not apply in Jessie. I've been shot numerous time, but i never complained, knowing that it was perfectly fine, and nothing was being done that was wrong. Although i have no problem with being shot, i DO have a problem when i am unable to move around, at all. Which happened to me for a full week while i was in Jessie. I could not move, teleport, or anything, as Chaunsey said. I had the same problem as he did, for a week. And as Ryen said, jrenslow Bach is probably the one guilty, as he has told me about times in which he DID use these scripts. And no, i have no proof, just my word. I haven't recieved any problems with scripts in the last few days of Jessie, thankfully. But i also want to clear up some of the news mentioned in Hamlet's articles of, 'Occupying Jessie'. I will not go too in depth because it is not needed, just a few statements i need to make. I want to say, Hamlet write VERY good articles and i deeply enjoy them, i just need to clear up a few things in the occupying Jessie part that might of made me sound like a, 'bad guy'. Since i have already been asked question from at least one person about the article. There were lots of parts Hamlet wasn't around for so they were left out, mainly the positive parts. There was only ONE time when i complained about what a certain individual did, we worked that out perfectly as far as i am concerned, just that Hamlet didn't record those since he was not there. I would rather that the article hadn't appeared, but as it already did all i can do is reassure a few people who might care. Also, one of the occupying Jessie articles mentioned that I and another resident demanded for a whole sim, which i never even thought of doing. The only thing we did was pose for a picture, NOT demand a sim. I hope i got all the important parts i needed and i hope it reassures some that i am not a bad guy, nor do i ever intend to be. That is all i have to say.

Thank you for your time.