Ask not what Jessie can do for you, but what you can do for Jessie

We;; we seem to hold on to this stigma of a sim full of abuse cases cause this is the outlands. Just cause we can shoot and such doesnt mean we should harras our neighbors with scripts and spawn kiling. I think the true bspirit of jessie and the outlands is a sort of wild war torn place visually but we shouldnt be griefing eachother. Yes factions and competion should abound but that doesnt include making someone elses SL unlivable. Any way ive got a Jessie Community standards draft posted in the news stand in the UrbAN jUNGLE and in My office on top of the Bank HQ and any Jessie resident who isnt on The Jessie reformation Board or would like to join the JLA please Contact Jack Orlowski

Jack Orlowski Officer Of JLA, JRB, Opfor, and Second Strike

i agree,someone has had a very annoying bumping script around which repeatedly knocks people to one side of the sim non stop.

VERY annoying and i was never able to find it thoguh i did get an idea of where it should be.

anyways,basically hat kinda thing is not fun for anyone and impedes combat aswell as everything else even on your own personal land.

and i think we need to make it clear that that sorta of thing is not oging to be tolerated and if you do so you could find yourself in a very bad position in jessie.

try sitting on a box and moveing it to where ya think it is.
Unless they have unsit and your box is physical, it cant touch you.

yes that is all well and good but who the hell wants to move around on a box. Its sucks it like being crippled, my good friend chris was crippled on the southern side of jessie for a week and his house is on the south side. now is that cool?

Jack O

Just tryin to help, I was disgusted with Jessie many months ago, so I don't even bother going there.

I know for a fact that the person with the bumping script is jrenslow bach, hes done it to me several times.

For the last F@#$ing time you wankers.

IF YOU CANT STAND THE HEAT STAY OUT OF THE KITCHEN !!!

There ARE rules for the behavior of scripts and created objects. I think what I read about it before is that you aren't allowed to build "malicious" objects or scripts--does this qualify as one? Does it really serve any purpose other than to annoy and grief others?

Hearing about people making grief scripts really worries me. If it gets bad I'm afraid that the creative freedoms we currently have will be "nerfed" to the point that it stops us from being able to do good things. Personally I don't want to see LSL or any other game feature lose any of it's "power" by losing features, but if the Lindens are forced to go the way of Ultima Online and alot of other MMOG's we'll end up with a more restricted virtual world than we currently have, moderated by baby sitters.

I don't want to see that happen--we really need to self-police and use our common sense when it comes to this kind of stuff. Think about the *consequences* of your behavior, how it will effect others, and respect them.

Sorry that turned into a lecture.

(Edit: Although I don't disagree with the above post, I think even Jessie should have some basic standards applied to it. Something like the above used excessively would make the sim basically useless.)

Calm down Gwydeon...

There's a BIG difference between whining about getting shot in a damage enabled sim, and being bumped across the sim by malicious scripts when you OWN a plot of land and are trying to build, chat or shoot other players.

Shooting people - fine, do it... no one is disagreeing about that anymore.

Writing griefer script is totaly unreasonable, and theyre obviously written by people who deliberately want to ruin other peoples experience of SL. This isnt the first time it's happened, and it's not restricted just to the Jesse sim.

If it's happened to you, report it. SL justice may be slow sometimes, but it gets there in the end.

Problem being - Jessie is no holds bared in regards to physical violence. Shooting somone repeatedly is no different from bumping them around repeatedly. It's ONE sim people, let it go, move out.

Haha gwyn, dont you think youre setting yourself up for uhhh.. frustration? Maybe i'll just set up a seeking bump script to target you specifically, so i can grief you out of Jessie for good. Guess you wouldnt have access to the kitchen, huh hun? IF YOU CANT STAND THE HEAT.. HUHUHUHUHU!

See my point? I hope so..

People with opinions like yours bother me. I'd LOVE to see someone grief you endlessly, so I could see how your opinion on 'NO HOLD BARRED' changes when the misery swings YOUR way.

Food for thought. *wink*.

Not realy food for thought, since you apparently are entering a discussion you don't understand and your example doesn't fit the sinario.

We are speaking only of the Jessie sim.

If you did such a thing OUTSIDE of Jessie it WOULD be greifing and a violation of TOS and get you warned, suspended, bannned.

The point of the situation is that Jessie IS the kitchen, not the rest of the world.

The issue here is that Jessie, and Jessie ALONE, is no holds bared, has been for ages, it was set aside as the ONE place for such actions (after the other 4 sims got returned to the public). These people have moved into the sim knowing the situation and are now complaining about it.

Thats about as feasible as the people who move in to a housing complex near a pig farm, SIGN A WAIVER stating that they understand they live near a pig farm and accept that, and then try to get the pig farm kicked out of town because it is bothering them, thow it was there years before these people moved in. (This is a REAL sinario playing itself out not far from where I live)

Its about as stupid as the guy who stands in the rain and complains about being wet to the people playing in the rain, while other people with a smidgeon of common sence stand in the protection of the nearby building.

PS: I dont live in Jessie

To be fair, I have spent very, very little time in Jessie. I haven't bought any weapons and was told it's probably not a good idea to venture to Jessie unless you have one.

Anyway, there seems to be a lot of bickering over what goes on in Jessie. My impression was that is was the one sim where, basically, anything goes.

I understand people getting irritated over working hard on a build and having some annoying neighbor killing you all the time, etc. But, wasn't Jessie like that before you moved in?

It's only one sim, and there are dozens of others to build in. Let them have their 'version' of fun!

I agree with Gwydeon Nomad's 'kitchen' comment. And until someone gets (or gives) me a killer set of oven mits, I'm staying out!

-juro

Where did I give indication that I was speaking about anywhere BUT Jessie?



Do I understand you correcty, here? Are you saying that, If i were to go home today, and write a script that bumps everyone in Jessie into oblivion for no reason, that would be ok, because its Jessie?

Sorry missunderstanding then.




Yes. But I would suspect people would find a work around and way to break your script / retaliate in turn. That is what jessie is for.

Well, that sounds to me like an invitation if I ever heard one. Has Gwydeon met your cat yet, Lola?

I'll note again: I don't live, or own anything, in Jessie.

And frankly haven't loged in days, been too busy.

For all those who dont live in jessie your opinion while interesting isnt valid. You dont live in jess so you dont know what happens on a daily basis in jess, you said it your self you dont go there cause what you heard about it. Ive been in jess since mid july and have seen it go from empty to humming with activity. All my best Sl friends are in Jessie or come to jessie without fear Now who are you 2 to tell me or any other person who lives in jess or any where in sl we have no right to complain about a griefers script "cause its jessie and anything goes". Otherwise i have never been griefed in jessie where the person didnt apologize later and never did it again.

Jack O

Who am I? Somone who's been around here longer than you. Listend this argument before. Heard the argument's great great grandady's retold by people 'oldbier' than myself and...

...somone with some bloody sence. You know the rules of the sim and you still complain. Do I need to repeat the pigfarm referance?

Do you know why Jessie even exists? Do a search on these boards for the word Jessie, start reading, see you in a week or so

Sorry, Jack, but I must disagree. It is an opinion, which is always valid. You certainly don't have to agree with it. Actually, I wouldn't expect you too, being as you have made the choice to live in Jessie and, therefore, are exposed to the happenings there.

It took me a while to figure out where I wanted to 'live', but pretty much from the start, I knew it would not be in Jessie. Jessie might be fun to visit, but not for setting up shop.... at least for me.

I think (again Jack, an opinion here) this is what makes SL so much fun. The game means different things to different people.

Of course, the Lindens could solve all of this by opening up another damage sim with the clear understanding that *anything* goes. Maybe the Lindens shouldnt allow purchasing of land or building of structures, but supply them for SL-ers.... allowing people to just fight and play.

Again.. my opinion.

Well, while i was swearing up and down i would never get back into this argument, I think I may have a solution. Why don't the residents of Jessie get together, and tell the Lindens that the TOS in Jessie needs to be re-vamped. Even though i don't think all the freedoms of Jessie should be taken away, i think there needs to be some resemblance of order there. Griefing should still be brought up, but only in extreme circumstances where the person is repeatedly griefing. Malicious scripts should be taken down, and some sort of rule take over Jessie. Jacks Jessie residents community standards is a great thing, if only it could be enforced 100%.

I can understand that people want a free and open sim, but human nature says an anything goes sim means free reign on everything, and griefing will always be a part of it if anything goes. That's why Jessie should be a loosly patrolled sim, rather than a griefers haven.

sorry i was a bit worked up by people saying "i dont live in jessie but dont whine". I never stated i was against combat and have done nothing short of devote my self to the advancement of jessie. I just want everybody to enjoy jessie and that doesnt happen when people grief you for a week staight or even an evening. Its not combat when your avs are smashed to the south simborder of jessie and you screen is bouncing all over the place. not fun. All im trying to do is get people organized against people who behave in such a lamo manner. im not whineing and im not a wanker, All i know about jessie is from new world notes and that it was abandoned when i got there. I have worked hard so people wouldnt think pain in the ass griefer when they hear jessie and know that a bunch of honest cool gun-toting people Work, Live and Play in Jessie. So dont write of Jessie as wildland where you can break the TOS.

Jack O

Where can I read the TOS????
You made me curious about what is and what is not allowed in SIM's like jessie.

Well Jack I think part of the problem lies in the fact that some people don't think you should work and live in Jessie (rather, only play). I don't really agree or disagree with that point of view but maybe there is some justification for a new small, *play only* sim that players can't buy land in.

Maybe have some cool environments designed for the sim--divide it up into 4 or more different types of battlegrounds or something. The NE corner could have a WWII styled theme, SE a futuristic theme, NW a modern theme, SW an ancient theme... Just some nice little Linden owned areas that make good battlegrounds. Maybe rotate between themes weekly or monthly if the areas are too small. Or whatever, just throwing out ideas.

i agree completely. thats what im trying to get going but you need some organization to do that. so im just trying to help that along. maybe we need a combat sand box.


Jack O