Piracy in SL.

Never said anything about ownership.

Then whats your point? He couldn't have given it away or sold it without totally remaking it.
Ragol. How Bizarre You started 2 days after dan, Have only a handfull of ratings and this is your first time on the forums.. Both say Anti-Kerry opinions in your profile and have similar group memberships. I guess you WERE there.

... Looks to that key to the right of the windows key.

Ouch! Haha!

Everyone knows that me and Ragol are friends and are not an alt account. Corn is just making an ass out of himself now to everyone who knows me and Ragol

Please say more stupid things Corn, I'd appreciate something to laugh about.

Edit: I showed Corn in world, Me and ragol having a discussion and such, and he didn't peep a word about it since..

Hmm... so many things to say....

First off, being a business man, I've had many people buy avatars and try to copy them as well. The fact of the matter is, unless they're a huge company well known in SL, I doubt they'll get enough customers to actually make some money off an object like this. No ones idea's are ever safe on the market. Second, as many people have said before, this is merely reverse engineering, it's a fact, that when you release something on the market that looks profitable that people will copy you no questions asked. Third, if you happend to file to the DMCA (or whatever those copyright groups are) I think it's a hell of alot of work to try and "sue" dan or whatever you plan to do for a mere 5 dollars (around 1.2k? perhaps in linden) that he made on the jet. Furthermore, although the jet comprises a lot of the jet, I have seen the f-18 he has sold, and he has put a lot of work into the content of the ship (Scripts, weapons, huds, etc) which is a main reason that person would actually consider to buy it. Finally, i've known Ragol and Dan for quite some time and I am also in the "GROUP" that has indicated that they are the same person. I guess since i'm in the group too, that I support bush, and I haven't posted on the board much either that I must be dan's so called "third account".

Bach, I understand that your angry that Dan copied your jet, its very understandable, I would be too. However, business is a dog eat dog world, if you can't handle it then the business world isn't for you. This is just a part of life.

It's not personal, it's just business.

Alright, for the sake of maturity, I'll admit that it was wrong to sell the jet.

However, I don't want to mislead anyone, I just want to make it clear:

Pyotr copied the jet, I took it and put scripts, sounds, and a heat seeking missle in it, and sold it in my shop. I think two people bought it. This is the truth.

Hopefully this will be the end of it.

It's really beyond me why someone would not only claim someone else's creation as their own, but sell it too. I've had people imitating my designs, but (as far as I know) not duplicating models. I've had people selling my free stuff for hundreds of Lindens, but not claiming it as their own creation. Well, until today that is.

What baffles me is that the zebra avatar really isn't all that *good*. I made it when I was a newb and have given it away since. You can get them at the Stillman bazaar and in Abbotts.

I'm getting really tired of money-grubbing scammers leeching off the creativity of others.

I feel the same way, and I agree 100%.... Nuff Said.

Siggy.

Same.

I still say copying or selling other peeps work without permission is outright theft.

prims are not a technology. they are information, and one that is difficult to protect. the information that can be protected is scripts and textures. when corn gave away a modifiabe obect, he himself undermined the limited protection provided to his unique efforts.

it is impossible to restrict prim copying. it is impossible to prove when something is copied, when it is a natural convergence, or whe it is divergnt enough to be unique . the scale of the SL economy doesn't permit anyone to take legal recourse.

in a RL world of ikea, walmart, generic drugs, and cookie cutter houses, i find the sanctity of first creation of a prim object in a virtual world to be contradictory.

edit:
in this particular case it's fairly easy to judge that it was copied, even prior to the admission (objects are flagged with dates right?). i'm speaking more generally as what will come out of this discussion is some kind of accepted community value.

I am all in favor of the Lindens taking action against this person. What they did was indeed very wrong.

However, isn't Boeing actually the owner of the design? Not sure I'd want to beign legal action over something that might actually belong to a mega corp

Of course, I am not a lawyer. I'd look into it though

-AP

This is a real good point.

Add to this that the orignal object was mod, add to this that the orginal creator (or is he the orginal creator(see above)?) was paid back in full and then some, with an apology and the object taken off the market.

It was a mistake.

We can discuss copywrite perms in another thread without continuing to hang individuals publicly.

Let this thread die.

fen-

I believe I have found the source of much Piracy in SL, please see attached image.

(Note: Joking, please ignore me.)

(Also Note: YAAAAAAARRRRRRRRrgggggggh!!!)

Alas mates, we have been found!

Encrypt the data holds, batton down thar security patches, argh thar be spyware abound.

As a somewhat offtopic post, I have seen everything from people who sell free items to people who sell items they bought or got from someone (refer to Cubey's post). The thing is, if SL was originally made to prevent piracy of prims, don't you think the Lindens would have made it so you couldnt see the parameters if you dont own it?

Oh that's smart, then SL gets taken down if the Lindens don't rectify the problem post haste because the servers are all co-location on another ISP... BRILLIANT!

What about all the pirated music in SL? All the textures and sounds stolen from games, the web, movies and television shows? Oh real smart!

What about the intellectual property rights of the people who designed the real F18? And then, if it turns out that the person who invoked the DMCA filed a false claim, they have to pay copious amounts of money! All it would take is one engineer from whichever aerospace corporation designed the real thing and suddenly Cornelius is up to his armpits in legal problems...

Not harping on you Cornelius, just wondering why someone would suggest invoking the DMCA when they apparently have no experience in copyright law.

This entire thread pisses me off.
Why are we left to police eachother?
Bottom line : Linden's game. See a trouble maker, don't let them play anymore.
Warn them. Something. ANYTHING!
But Linden Labs is the ruling body. This is THEIR WORLD. If they want to, they can take away *anyone's* account. They simply choose not to. What's all this about filing complaints with outside governments? hah.
They just hope we will fight with eachother and make bad blood with eachother and blah blah blah when THEY should be policing the world.
HUGE disappointment for me the way this thread turned out.
Not that I am saying anyone should have been banned or not banned, that is not what I am saying. I am just saying here's another situation where LL totally dropped the ball.
WTG LINDEN LABS!

I was working on a building somewhere in SL and a Scriptor had this script, let me try to describe what it did, I gave a copy of the Object i built to the Scriptor, it was Mod Allowed, the scriptor dropped a script in the object and all of a sudden, each and every prim of my object was DUPLICATED AND PLACED at a short distance of my ORIGINAL until we finally had a PERFECT COPY, Prims, Textures and Links ......
Scripts can do that. the only necessity is Mod Allowed. I saw it.

Ooh red and caps! Thats CrAzY!

Perhaps you should attempt to educate yourself before flaming away. That's not how DMCA or copyright violations are handled. Some reading to get you started.

http://secondlife.com/corporate/dmca.php

Actually, let me put forward a thought -

Corn made a virtual model of a plane that has huge historical significance in its role in various wars, and therefore is public domain. Since Corn's not making a significant amount of money off this, I doubt Northrup Grumman will mind the patriotic re-creation of one of the country's tools for defending the nation.

On the other hand, Corn's re-creation itself is a copyrightable thing, not as an F-18, but as a blueprint to a historical tribute. It's clear it was ripped off.

I see this as a bucket of water on an already raging inferno heh. Least you were standing there with your bucket when everybody else was running for their lighter fluid

Nick, go back to being dead

WHERE THE HELL HAVE YOU BEEN?!

Oh, and dan seems popular, my Tartarus script, strife onizuka, seems to have a history with him as well.