Cancelled Account

You are so ***EDIT PERSONAL ATTACK*** that you make leftist want to go right!

Lame comeback. I give it a -1.5 out of 10. Minused 1.5 for misspelling "LOL."

asha,
it's possible to cancel your account effective immediately by contacting support. but please reconsider your decision. it won't cost you anything to see how it turns out since you've paid ahead.

i do not wish to see people leave SL, but i also don't want people using false assertions to support their position.

i love your handle - dream, wish, or hope?

They have said that again and again, but people tend to be idiots.

The correct quote is: 'You catch more FLYS with honey', honey. Makes much more sense that way.

Gotta wonder about that old saying. You can also catch an equal number of flies with bullshit.

There is a game that has pretty much died. It was a world similar to SL, only you had to purchase your therebucks to buy stuff in world, and it was a lot more cartoony looking. The building tools there were very limited too.

As far as people leaving, I think the choice is theres, but I think the choice to leave because you seem to KNOW how these changes will affect the way you play is a stupid reason to leave. You have no idea how these changes will affect the world, you just know what the lindens are doing. We've been through something like this 4 other times, and each time, the world has changed, and everythings been fine, LL is still alive and kicking, people are still in world building, scripting, buying, selling, and socializing, and people find ways to exploit the system. Just sit back and enjoy the ride

Not to pick on you Brad, you just posted something that concisely summarizes the repeated arguments of far too many oldbies/cheerleaders (not necessairly the same thing) for the Lindens.

It is an invalid argument to state that applying past experience to the current situation outlookwise will result in similar results in the future - especially if you look at the "current starting point". It COULD be disputed argumentationally that the system IS NOT broken - it is functioning EXACTLY as it was designed. Now, that doesn't mean it was designed properly - but that is a different argument.

As for LL being alive and kicking - so what? I can easily contend that SL is alive and kicking IN SPITE OF deliberate manipulation of the economy by LL not because of it. I could also argue that allowing the current system to continue will eventually "solve the present problem" because current and future residents will learn to all game the system the same way - and thus equalize everything in terms of ratings bonuses. If that were done, then the new "price structure" in the economy might be reset to a new "bias" or zero level, but so what? Things would still be priced relative to supply/demand/appreciation by the residents. Adjusting the bonus stipends is like a blind person swinging at a ball thrown by a major league pitcher -- not one of the "beeper balls" specially made for the blind to play ball either. There's a chance the blind person might hit it. The odds are against it. Hell, the "batter" in this case doesn't even know where the plate is much less whether the pitch is a fast ball or a curve.

If, as you state, "everything is fine", then why the change? Change without reason is silly. You obviously believe there is a reason - which is an arguable premise for further discussion. But, to say "everything is fine" and then suggest we go along with something that will inevitably change it belies your statement that "everything IS fine".

I personally hope to never hear this argument again as it insults the intelligence of both the speaker and the audience.

Again.. not directed at Brad personally... but at this oft-heard recent argument that Brad merely repeated here.

Philip posted several reasons why the changes were needed.

LOL blake! youhave a way with words!

They never do, it's just drama.

If they do leave, they always come back. Asha, once you see that this wont effect you as much as you think, you'll stay. Tell your friends, not us.
Hang out, keep the party going hun.

Crow

Ahhh... the Cycle of Second Life.

This isn't particularly meaningful in the overall life of SL, but neither was the claim that there hasn't been one canceled account since the changes were announced. Of course there hasn't been. Few people are even aware yet of what kind of impact the changes are likely to have, and said changes certainly haven't had time to actually MAKE that impact yet. Most don't read these boards, either, and most -- or at least a large number -- probably don't even know ABOUT the changes at all.

If a large number of cancellations begins, it will happen sometime down the road, and there will be much grumbling and growing (possibly ignored) resentment first. IF this DOES happen (I really think it has potential to do so, but I'm not infallible), it also won't by any means be the first time that an MMO dev team made a decision or series of decisions that resulted in large numbers of subsequent cancellations, despite the fact that vocal boardies rabidly defended those same decisions and denounced dissenters as overreacting at best, raving loonies at worst. This has all happened before in other MMOs, even complete with the part about people saying, "But this MMO is *different*!" and "People always say they'll cancel, but they never really do!"

For someone who's played in a number of MMOs already and has seen how these things go, it's a little like watching re-runs. Kind of.

No... Philip posted "something" but I am not sure they are either the true reasons or just public statements presented as reasons. He offered a conclusion he/LL reached but if that is a valid conclusion, I'll never post here again (don't you wish).

Incomplete information on why this is being done does not equate to providing a real reason... it amounts to a sop apparently intended to quiet the possibility of dissent. On the one hand, he has admitted that he watches the economy, on the other, he has also admitted that it is difficult, if not impossible to actually understand. Given that, his proffer of a viable "reason" is empty crap in my opinion.

Of course, as a true believer, you will disagree.

Why on earth would I wish that? We may rarely agree, but I wouldn't wish you to not post - mainly cuz we both know it would *never* happen.

All good points. They do watch the economy, it is difficult to understand. So, let's say you're correct for a second (catch your breath, I know you weren't expecting that one).

If you were correct, what reason and what benefit would come from them making these big changes to the economy? It wasn't to make things easier for them - they're doing triple time on damage control right now. So, what was it?

The only reason I know of is the one Philip gave: inflation. That's the only thing we have to go on, and knowing Philips propensity to be open about the world and its back room operations, I guess I just don't have reason to believe that he's hiding anything, so I take his word for face value.

My point is he doesn't KNOW any more about the economy than we do. He may have more data... but data is raw... not completely analyzed or understood. Hell, he provides some of the data to us to use in our own speculative ways. Do we/I believe this is accurate data? Probably - because not doing so means we have less to form a personal opinion on - not that I actually believe it is truthful/accurate. Lacking other information, most people will use even known to be inaccurate and deceptive information to create a picture of the world.

However, I don't believe, and he has admitted, that he/LL experiments with the economy to attempt to attain a desired "picture"/effect. That suggests that my asserton he doesn't know what the hell is going on is a valid one - if I take him at his word in this case.

Finally, because I (and you/other SLer's) have "caught" him/LL talking out their asses before (ex., disputing fps results as resident build issues as opposed to LL hardware issues as was proven by resident research), I have little confidence in his public statements as "truthful" or accurate.... that doesn't mean he is deliberately lying in my view. It does mean that I do think he acts like a CEO - saying things that are intended to maintain a particular public persona that will benefit him/the corporate image. Truth is an afterthought - if considered at all.

As you say, "the only thing we have to go on" is his/LL's statements. Why would you or anyone believe someone who has a history of miscommunciations, deceipt, inaccurate/incorrect statements? (Note, this is essentially the same argument that Dems use against Bush.)

Edited to add: what triple time? I went to Robin's discussion... 1 Liason is not triple time. Liason's job responsibilities are to interact, to explain, to resolve.. They are just doing what they are hired to do --- if this subject is demanding their time, then it is merely a shift of subject content, not triple time in any sense. However, if you are suggesting that they are "liasing" MOSTLY about this issue right now, then I suggest that this is of their own design, was predictable, and means they are probably not attending to other matters they formerly concerned themselves with.

The good thing Korg, is that time will tell if this was a good decision on thier part or not. It's not the first time there has been a major shift in the economy and the last time 'round there was much of the same uproar about it. Everyone survived and the economy did too.

So, we'll just have to wait it out and see.

Korg, I'm pretty sure that Phillip knows a lot more about the economy than us, seeing as how he's been dealing with it a lot longer (and, not to mention, he and his crew CREATED IT).

For centuries "Bleeding" was a respected and widely used medical treatment also. Subsequent experience and development of knowledge has shown it was not only pointless but had a profoundly negative effect (death) on numerous patients.

That everyone "survived" previous "guesses" and manipulations here is disputable in the first place (the is evidence that numerous people left because of the changes then), and not relevant here as it is not predictive, but a mere report of a past occurence.

Could you clarify what in the hell this has to do with anything?

It doesn't predict, but it points out that the last 2 times, thier plan worked.

What he "knows" disputable --- he has repeatedly stated that this (and previous adjustments) are experiments, not proven fixes.

That he has been dealing with it longer than whoever is also pointless. Repeating the same mistake over and over is not to be admired... in this case, the mistake, in my opinion, is making an adjustment for a "problem" that is inadequately defined. Inflation? Too inaccurate. Give me some specifics. Land costs too much? Give me some specifics and argument about why a 100$L/m2 price is bad if people are willing to pay that. 1000$L shirts? What's wrong with that if people are willing to pay THAT? Inflation is a dubious terms due to its ambiguity.

That he created it is also a worthless argument. My niece creates crayon drawings few would call art. This is a borked creation at this point, with LL seemingly floundering in an attempt to do something --- something I have no clue as to the goal other than to just futz around with SL in God-mode.

And you suggest that this is reasonable?

If it "Worked", how did we get to where we are now.. that another major change is required?

Belief in a solution does not make it an actual solution to a problem. That is, bleeding did not cure people any more than this current ratings bonus solution will solve the problem presented as being solved - inflation.