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Christmas Celebrations Becoming Politically Incorrect?

Goyan Luchador
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12-14-2004 09:30
I haven't noticed it so much in SL, thank goodness, but is this becoming a reality in your RL's? The department stores seem to want our seasonal money, nay, depend on it, yet refuse to use the word Christmas in their sunday ads. At my rl job, we are to ask if decorations will offend anyone before putting them up. We couldnt even use the word Christmas Potluck on our sign up sheet this year,, had to use the word, 'holiday' instead.
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Blake Rockwell
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12-14-2004 09:34
From: Goyan Luchador
I haven't noticed it so much in SL, thank goodness, but is this becoming a reality in your RL's? The department stores seem to want our seasonal money, nay, depend on it, yet refuse to use the word Christmas in their sunday ads. At my rl job, we are to ask if decorations will offend anyone before putting them up. We couldnt even use the word Christmas Potluck on our sign up sheet this year,, had to use the word, 'holiday' instead.


I posted a simular Post on "Out of Topics Forum" Goyan called "Bann Christmas in Schools..What's next?" Might want to visit that as well.
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Goyan Luchador
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12-14-2004 09:37
Thanks Blake,, I did a search but missed it! :-)
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12-14-2004 09:40
Welcome to the real world where not everyone is a Xtian.

Sure , we can give the party a religious name if you really want... how about "Hannakah Party", "Kwanzaa Party", or my personal favorite, "Winter Solstice Party"?

Of course, you all will have to put up with other people's menorahs, Kinaras, or flaming Yule logs which they choose to decorate their desks with.

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Siobhan Taylor
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12-14-2004 09:43
That would be better than banning christan ones.

Let people celebrate (or not) how they wish...
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Shiryu Musashi
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12-14-2004 09:47
From: Blake Rockwell
I posted a simular Post on "Out of Topics Forum" Goyan called "Bann Christmas in Schools..What's next?" Might want to visit that as well.


It happened even here in italy, and the asses of the teachers/school administrators that proposed it have been kicked for good, thankfully.
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12-14-2004 09:48
EOYGEP Day meaning "End of year give everybody presants day"...for the politicaly ANAL.
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12-14-2004 09:50
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Let people celebrate (or not) how they wish...


Sure, I agree 100%. Go ahead and celebrate all you want... in privacy. It's when the myths of any religion are imposed upon people of another faith that I have problems.

-Ghoti
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Ahkin Pierce
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12-14-2004 09:51
Hey I roll my eyes at them all and tell everyone i belive in Santa Still.
Siobhan Taylor
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12-14-2004 09:51
From: Ghoti Nyak
Sure, I agree 100%. Go ahead and celebrate all you want... in privacy. It's when the myths of any religion are imposed upon people of another faith that I have problems.

-Ghoti


Agreed
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Chip Midnight
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12-14-2004 09:52
It's not that Christmas is becoming politically incorrect, it's that being respectful of diverstiy is becoming more desirable. I personally see it as a good thing. I also think it's partly because people are sick of having christmas stuff in their face 24/7 starting in October!
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12-14-2004 09:52
I say lets Celebrate everything..eat, drink and be merry. What the world needs now is Love!
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12-14-2004 09:55
Help me out here, I can never keep this straight. Is christmas the holiday where they celebrate santa claus getting nailed to a cross? or am I thinking of something else?
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12-14-2004 09:56
From: Ghoti Nyak
Sure, I agree 100%. Go ahead and celebrate all you want... in privacy. It's when the myths of any religion are imposed upon people of another faith that I have problems.


If someone lives in a country where the majority follows one faith and wants to celebrate, he should respect others enough to bear public celebrations without whining.
People should really begin to be more tolerant, Japan, for instance, is sure not a country famous for tolerance, but still even if the vast majority of the population is buddhist or shinto, christmas is not only tolerated, but comes as a great holiday everyone enjoys, under various aspects.
By the way, why should celebrations of one faith's holidays be offensive to the followers of another?
You make it sound like followers of different religions should be enemies.
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12-14-2004 10:01
From: Shiryu Musashi
If someone lives in a country where the majority follows one faith and wants to celebrate, he should respect others enough to bear public celebrations without whining.


I think you have that backwards Shiryu. Your argument is essentially "deal with it you whiner!" How exactly does that translate to mutual respect? If it doesn't go both ways it isn't respect, it's subjugation.
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Shiryu Musashi
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12-14-2004 10:04
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I think you have that backwards Shiryu. Your argument is essentially "deal with it you whiner!" How exactly does that translate to mutual respect? If it doesn't go both ways it isn't respect, it's subjugation.


Error, because as much as they have to respect they wauy i celebrate, they can celebrate their own holidays as much as they want, unless their celebrations go against the law.
This is called freedom.
Thankfully enough i live in a country where administrators that try to ban holidays out of false "respect" for different religions get their asses kicked for good.
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12-14-2004 10:07
Omg..here we go again..LOL! See the Thread 2nd page of "Out of Topic Forum" "Bann Christmas in Schools..what's next? For those of you that are interested in this topic..unless this Thread is in correlation to Secondlife, it should be in the Title. This Thread will go on forever believe me.
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12-14-2004 10:09
From: Shiryu Musashi
Error, because as much as they have to respect they wauy i celebrate, they can celebrate their own holidays as much as they want, unless their celebrations go against the law.
This is called freedom.
Thankfully enough i live in a country where administrators that try to ban holidays out of false "respect" for different religions get their asses kicked for good.


actually --that's called mob-rule.

[irony]I don't mind if people are queer for Christmas --but do they have to flaunt it?[/irony]
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12-14-2004 10:10
From: Shiryu Musashi
Error, because as much as they have to respect they wauy i celebrate, they can celebrate their own holidays as much as they want, unless their celebrations go against the law. This is called freedom.


And when adressing the public at large, who are not all Christians, saying "Happy Holidays" instead of "Merry Christmas" so that it applies to everyone is called politeness.
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Shiryu Musashi
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12-14-2004 10:14
Why should i tell Happy Holydays if i am christian and celebrate christmas? For me its Merry Christmas, if one celebrates a different festivity he can respond in the way he likes.
But if someone goes as far as being offended by being told "Merry Christmas" he's not religious, he's a paranoid.
People following different religions are just that, different, sure shouldnt treat each other like enemies.
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12-14-2004 10:17
From: Shiryu Musashi
Why should i tell Happy Holydays if i am christian and celebrate christmas? For me its Merry Christmas, if one celebrates a different festivity he can respond in the way he likes.
But if someone goes as far as being offended by being told "Merry Christmas" he's not religious, he's a paranoid.
People following different religions are just that, different, sure shouldnt treat each other like enemies.


I if a Jew says to me Happy Honnaka..then I say Merry Christmas...hmm..I wouldn't be offended..but may follow it up with and happy holidays as well.
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12-14-2004 10:17
From: Ghoti Nyak
Welcome to the real world where not everyone is a Xtian.

Sure , we can give the party a religious name if you really want... how about "Hannakah Party", "Kwanzaa Party", or my personal favorite, "Winter Solstice Party"?

Of course, you all will have to put up with other people's menorahs, Kinaras, or flaming Yule logs which they choose to decorate their desks with.

-Ghoti


Heck, we have to do that anyway!

It's getting to the point where if someone complains about another's Christianity, the Christian is asked to be more sensitive to others, and keep their beliefs private, but when the Christian complains about the religious displays of others, they are again asked to be more sensitive to the beliefs of others.

Seems only the Christians that have to give in.
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12-14-2004 10:20
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If someone lives in a country where the majority follows one faith and wants to celebrate, he should respect others enough to bear public celebrations without whining.


So only the majority religion gets to have its public displays? I'm assuming that is not what you mean.

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People should really begin to be more tolerant, Japan, for instance, is sure not a country famous for tolerance, but still even if the vast majority of the population is buddhist or shinto, christmas is not only tolerated, but comes as a great holiday everyone enjoys, under various aspects.


How much of that celebration is geared toward the birth of Jesus (the Xtian version of the holiday) and how much is Santa Claus, reindeer, and out-of-control consumerism (the secular version of the holiday)? My wager would be on a whole lot of commercialism and very little mention of the baby Jesus lying in his manger.

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By the way, why should celebrations of one faith's holidays be offensive to the followers of another?


They don't need to be. Its when all the proselytizing (my way is the only way!) and assumptions that everyone wants to celebrate a particular holiday (It's the CHRISTMAS season, as opposed to It's the HOLIDAY season) that resentment starts to appear. It's not the holiday itself I find offense, but rather the assumptions enshrined around it.

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You make it sound like followers of different religions should be enemies.


Hey, I'm not the one that started the Inquisitions, Witch-burnings, Crusades, etc. If people could learn to live together in perfect harmony, celebrating our diversity and joining hands to sing Kumbyah that would be fine and dandy. Unfortunately, some people insist on proclaiming there's the one and only true faith (i.e. you're wrong! Join my religion or die!!!!), sort of precluding that diversity.

I see it along the same lines of how its fine to celebrate Christmas or Easter, but try holding a Samhain or Beltane celebration in the town square and watch the self-rightous come out of the woodwork to protest this 'blasphemy'. It's called a double-standard.

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12-14-2004 10:25
From: Ghoti Nyak
So only the majority religion gets to have its public displays? I'm assuming that is not what you mean.



How much of that celebration is geared toward the birth of Jesus (the Xtian version of the holiday) and how much is Santa Claus, reindeer, and out-of-control consumerism (the secular version of the holiday)? My wager would be on a whole lot of commercialism and very little mention of the baby Jesus lying in his manger.



They don't need to be. Its when all the proselytizing (my way is the only way!) and assumptions that everyone wants to celebrate a particular holiday (It's the CHRISTMAS season, as opposed to It's the HOLIDAY season) that resentment starts to appear. It's not the holiday itself I find offense, but rather the assumptions enshrined around it.



Hey, I'm not the one that started the Inquisitions, Witch-burnings, Crusades, etc. If people could learn to live together in perfect harmony, celebrating our diversity and joining hands to sing Kumbyah that would be fine and dandy. Unfortunately, some people insist on proclaiming there's the one and only true faith (i.e. you're wrong! Join my religion or die!!!!), sort of precluding that diversity.

I see it along the same lines of how its fine to celebrate Christmas or Easter, but try holding a Samhain or Beltane celebration in the town square and watch the self-rightous come out of the woodwork to protest this 'blasphemy'. It's called a double-standard.

-Ghoti


Im not familar with Samhain..but if it involves worshiping Satan..then you might see that.
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12-14-2004 10:26
Wow. This is a subject close to my heart.. What annoys ME, is that in holiday programs at my child's school.. Kwaanza and Hannukah are called by THEIR names, but only WINTER is used as a euphemism for CHRISTMAS.. what is THAT about? And no religious songs are sung for Christmas, only Jingle Bells.. and songs about winter or Santa.. I have complained about it, as I think that this time of year, filled with holidays.. all of them should be recognized.. I'm looking forward to seeing this year's HOLIDAY concert at the elementary school.
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