Is SL stagnating?

well, I'm fairly new here, I've spent quite a bit of time hanging and chatting, I'm in the process of ATTEMPTING to learn photoshop, I have some ideas for things I've yet to see. Just goes to show, the right kind of people will stick around. *THERE GOES MY EGO*

you do realize this means that in the last 10 days more than 3481 were spotted on line?

that's not much of a slow down. (though the 30 days period 10 days ago was kinda slow.)

All companies have seasonality. I suspect September is probably the lowest point.

I think that the "new thing" aspect is subsiding. Many join up just because friends ask them too and its free for awhile - so why not.

It is inevitable that it will reach peaks and then level off.. sory of like the stock market. It is based on events in RL.

I think/hope that some of the newest obsessions/directions will in fact fully die off - land baroning, 1000 clubs, rah rah shake your booty activities, ALTHOUGH I have nothing against any of these things in a certain quantity, the fact that they have RULED SL for the past few months in undeniable.

Its time, I say, for a renaissance in creativity - on both a social and artistic level.

Its wheat from chaff time hopefully - or at least a beginning

I think the most positive attitude about SecondLife will be try to be inclusive of everyone and all of their persuits, whether they be bingo, clubs, business, artistic endeavours, or whatever.

I see too many people here saying what SecondLife should be for everyone. It's a real turn off.

SecondLife should be whatever helps that person be everything that they want to be.

Hey, that's the Army's slogan:

Be all that you can be!!

Another theory might be how he is getting his data. If he's using scanners, he might not be scanning in the right areas.

honest don't know many ppl willing to pay a monthly fee for playing a beta game

you can say whatever you want but SL doesn't look like is finished

I'm sry to say but SL is one of the buggiest game I ever heard of (keep in mind game went gold over 1 year ago)

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dunno, but I have seen SL have far less downtime than say UO and TSO. The bugs have to be expected since this isnt a usual 'game'. When your constantly striving for the newest things there will be bugs. Hell, UO still has many bugs and is a very old online 'game'.

I think the world can "settle" again, meaning steady growth but no YUGE surge, until the next big media encounter. A giant panda bear and genie inworld relayed tales to me of how when CNN featured Second Life, like a 1000 people flooded into the open arms of the Welcome Area(s). Nearby, Toy LaFollette -- who is instructor of the month, yay! -- began to relate with a colorful analogy; she compared it to Ellis Island.

As I sometimes like to say, I'm fresh off of the virtual boat. What a trip, huh?

I may be one of the newest here... just about a week.

I have not noticed a whole lot of people on in the last week. Certain clubs have a lot of people, but only maybe in the 20's or 30s. The rest of the place has been pretty quiet while I've been roaming. Only twice have I really gotten into any sort of conversations. In the mean time, I've been creating stuff. Hopefully it'll be for sale soon.

In any case, the land that is being resold is often expensive. However, everyone can buy a 512 sqm plot for L$512. I'm not sure if this is a one time deal or a deal when you don't have land (e.g. "land for the landless". Either way, it's plenty for most things. And owning any more than that requires a higher monthly fee. I really think it's strange that so many people would want more than that amount of land given that it does raise the real world costs of being in SL.

Do I think land costs are why people aren't sticking around? Not at all; it doesn't seem to make sense.

Not only that, but renting space in many areas is actually quite cheap and some come with a surprising amount of prim allocation. In addition, if it includes joining a group it could mean earning some dwell money, too.

Maybe to cater to the residents that can't own land we need some default apartment units. Some small apartments (~200 sqm -- the 2100 sq ft -- a rather large house in the RW -- this scale thing needs to be worked on) with a small prim allocation (~30) would allow for some personal space. Granted this should be done by residents, but something that was set up right next to the starting areas and even paid for in the first week (maybe as part of the reward mentioned below) would be very cool, I think.

Coming into SL is certainly very daunting. The introductory island is helpful, but there needs to be a few more that runs through a lot of the other tasks that may ultimately be performed. There are classes about this, but those are usually only discovered after a while of frustration.

Perhaps what should be instituted is daily newbie guided tours. A few live help people are chosen at random and a group of 10-20 newbies is chosen and a guided tour is led to introduce the newbies to various areas and things that can be done in SL. Perhaps the completion of these courses earns rewards.

Another thing is to set expectations before people come into SL. Is SL, on its own, a game? Absolutely not. It's a development platform and virtual world. Games can be developed in SL. As can many other things. However, and here's where things could be improved: it has little to no real world interaction. Sure, you can set up land to have streaming music and this has turned into a great thing for clubs: everyone is listening to the same thing.

But why not be able to script browser objects so a group of people could browse the web together? This could be fun, enjoyable, and useful. Why not a TV that actually played streaming media? What about an email client that could be used in SL with a regular POP or IMAP server? (Ok, we'll need "owner view only" type settings for some things, but what's wrong with that?)

If all of this (and more, of course) was added, SL would become a useful tool for real world interactions, too. The metaverse was the interface. As Governor Linden said in his speech, he does see this as the WWW. In this case, it's the 3D WWW (but far better than VRML ever was).

In any case, that's just my $L.02 of rambling. If you come in looking for a game, you'll find no pre-defined goals. If you come in looking for a development tool, you'll find a lack of interaction with the real world. Right now it's little more than a fancy IM client. (which is not a bad thing, either -- it's a great start).

-Zax

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yup got your number.

I don't know what game you're playing. Aside from 1.5 being a rather bumpy release, SL is by far the most bug free MMOG I've ever played, by a wide margin.

Sl is far from stagnant it has only changed direction.

Ah, things have been getting worse with each release, things were better in 1.3 that 1.5.x. I'm quitting because the bugs are not getting fixed but worse.



Uh, there is plenty of land at L$3 to L$4 per sqm. Is that what you call excessive?

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As far as building goes the bugs in the build tools make many things impossible. I have two projects that I could not build because of build tool bugs.

So I am disenchanted since I have little desire to go to SL events. When I want to meet people I go to RL. For some SL is a more desirable venue for socializing.



Same here. But my guess is that it will not be LL, LL seems to have very low interest in fixing bugs and even lower interest in it's residents.



Huh? Newb land is L$512 and they get l$1000 upon signing up so the land is free.

That is my point, same-old same-old builds are fine. New kinds of builds are another matter. See:
/invalid_link.html

EX:
1) Res prim
2) Set Rotation x to 72 this works.
3) Set Rotation y to 90
Result:
x: 0
y: 89.97
z: 72

Woah, that is no typo, z changed and y is messed-up!



Fine. But the thread is why newb are slowing, perhaps like me they are new to MMOGs, we don't have a comparison to other MMOGs, just to SL and it is buggy as hell and getting worse and LL isn't really concerned.

See: /111/64/22121/1.html

for an issue that LL completely ignores yet is a long term problem.

jeezy, you havent figured the way around that lil bug yet??? hehehe

Yet another reason to be out of here, people who know the workarounds and keep them secret. Not that there should be a need for secret workarounds. I also note that you are maintaing that workaround as a secret.

Please note that no on the that thread had the solution and I was not the only one to have the same complaint, Oz Spade also posted the problem and there were several well known scriptors in the thread.

Ok, you're done trolling, leave SL.

kthxbye.

Thanks for not understanding. For one thing, I've been in SL since 1.0. For another, I wasn't insinuating I was quitting, ass. But, I have the scope of experience to prevent me from going "screw this, I'll play Worlds of Warcraft".

The newbie coming in last week doesn't know that, assumes the program is shit, and gives up right out.



I dunno, how about the $20/meter prices that were up the last monthor two?

You sure have a short attention span and memory capacity. Perhaps being a goldfish would be a better career path for you?

LF

Sorry, I understood that you wern't quiting an did not mean to imply otherwise.

As for land, the change LL made to the landless program was a very good thing, now it is easy and straight forward for newbs to get their initial 512 sqm.

There is a problem of some people trying to buy the initial 512 sqm cheap from unsuspecting newbs, two tried that with my wife the first week she was in-game.




Yes, this was a problem and LL resolved it. Still 512 sqm was always available for L$512.

Browsing through my daily comics, I noticed Michi Lumin staring back at me. We've been Penny-Arcaded.

Ok now that is funny! LOL