Player Run Conflict Resolution

Ooh! I want this! How cool would that be?! We could do dawn raids into the cities and fight off the evil government oppressors, trying to convert the residents to our cause on the way. Can we start practicing on Nutellaburg now? It'll be just like HalfLife 2 all over again.

But yeah. I mean how 'governing' is your government gonna be? Is it gonna have like state laws that visitors have to abide by? Will we have to know the laws of the land before we go shopping - or dawn raiding - in a given sim?

Personally I'm going to ban anyone from my land who doesn't agree to worship me!

Well thats ok. I'm willing to accept you as my one true God if you like. Since you asked first and all.

Oh I don't need the divinity part... just the worship, lol... and spankings, gotta have them.

Ahh.. sweet sweet victory.

Nolan, I'm sorry that you are offended. I didn't intend to give you the idea that I think I'm some how superior to you or anyone else. My reaction earlier stems from my frustration that issues of SL politics are so polarized that no one is listening any more -- and there's no reason not to, because nobody is being threatened. The beach, margaritas, and senoritas I won't apologize for, because I was having fun and jamming my tongue very hard into my cheek -- I was making fun of myself and my own sometimes-too-serious ways.

I wonder if your issue with me may have to do with some other matter besides forum debates. If so, that's too bad -- and not the first time I've heard about this over the last month. Keep in mind that there are at least two sides to every story, and often it is difficult to know what to believe without hearing both.

I've offered to talk with you in another thread. The offer stands. Whatever it is that you're upset about, I am willing to listen and settle with you as I can.

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60% of the people who took the poll. This does not equal 60% of the SL population. I doubt it even represents 60% of the forum readers.

Surreal

60% of the forum readers who can be arsed to wade through yet-another-self-government-thread said ...........

Thats even less accurate than a Family Feud poll!

Siggy.

If this is an idea that LL might consider, just let us know which sims have a player-run government so that I can be sure not to step/fly over them and I can avoid them at all cost.
Again, as a paying customer I will abide by Linden Law only... all hail King Philip!

Precisely, and thank you for your kind words.

It's hard to think of something that hasn't been thought of -- reaching beyond that collective consciousness into the realm of the unknown is no easy task. In fact, it's probably an impossible one to do alone.

The secret may be in putting our minds to it -- eventually something will pop up, an idea will form, it'll become a meme of discussion, and then perhaps we will come up with some ground-breaking system that defies the traditions behind us.

It'll probably be a tough battle as I'm more of a force of extreme change rather than one of institutionalization. But we need something that's more than what we have right now for sure.

Anonymous decentralized voting with problem classification and solution weighting is just my idea. Any takers on improving or changing it?

Agree 100%.

There are lots of concerns about abuse in player controlled conflict resolution; however, it is important to recognize that there exists much abuse in our current system - Piracy, Nooby Rip Offs, and Land-based schemes (land scanning, purchase of land accidently placed for sale, etc) to name a few.

Player controlled conflict resolution is certainly suseptible to abuse - but lets be honest - the current system is not only suseptible, its rife with it.

While I am certain that Linden Labs wants to resolve all issues in a fair and impartial manner, the sheer volume of complaints they receive far outstrip their judicial resources. Thats where player controlled resolution steps up to the plate ... it is a potential solution to mitigate some of the wrongdoing that takes place in SL.

Given that LL has admitted they do not have the resources to properly police SL, and the fact they have stated that they intend to seek more player involvement in administrative affairs, the question "Should There Exist Player Controlled Conflict Resolution?" appears rhetorical... the real question is, "What Kind of Player Controlled Conflict Resolution SHOULD exist?"

By LL's own admission, the days of the wild west appear numbered and the arrival of a new sherriff in town appears immenent.

Just my Two,
Jaq

Are you SL's majority? Or are you the majority of SL that reads the forums? Or are you actually even the majority? According to the poll (126 votes) only 35% support the current system with no changes. 48% support some sort of player-involved conflict resolution and 17% support a murky "other"... of which neither the pro-self regulation or rugged individualists can count.

I don't want SL sanctioning any other users to have power over me or anything I do when I'm not on their land. Unless those users want to pay my SL bill, I won't recognize any authority SL may choose to grant them. More likely, I would stop paying my SL bill and leave SL.

Gee, maybe Kerry could've won if we used this method of counting votes. (I voted for him just to clarify). Start a thread to further seperate the issue because a simple yes or no is too "binary", then lump 4 categories against one. Clever. Nothing like buying votes through player manipulation. Gee, I don't like the yes/no vote because I lost, so I will simply rephrase it until it fits my desired outcome. Disperse the votes to make a point. How original.

Slice it, dice it, julienne it to suit your wishes, the fact remains the MAJORITY voted to keep things the same.

I lost? I'm sorry... I don't follow you hun.

~Jaq

Errrr - sorry no!

I do not consent to give any other player or groups of players authority over my SL.

I do consent to and adhere to the TOS and Community Standards and am bound these as implementation by Linden Lab.


Pretty simple.

I am not surprised.

I do not want to see this happen either. I enjoy my SL experience , all I need is some power hungry players dictating to me how things should be. Creating a huge tangled mess of what needs to be done to resolve even the most basic of problems. In another word, DRAMA.

I bumped into him on accident because of lag .. "no Pleze Playfair , you must now talk to me as a mediator and we'll need to speak to some peers on what we can do about this."

"What if I just apologize?"

"NO You must go through the proper channels to make this official"

And I do not want you heading a government Ulrika. I've been reading your posts .. and you don't know when to give up. You probably won't until you get the answer you are looking for .. which doesn't appear to be happening so I'm sure every week or two another one of these will popup.

This is not the charactaristics of someone I want as a government official. I would want someone with an open mind. Not "Its my way or I'm not stopping until I get my way" attitude you project with these nonstop threads about SL government. You've got to see both sides of the story and take them all into consideration.

Please someone answer me one question.

WHY are we here again. It devolves to simple facts that the Majority of the people don't want to hear of anyone else controling anything that has to do with their game play.

As Donovan mentioned earlier no one is listening but everyone is talking. No wonder we have such stances against and for player run goverment or player run arbitration.

Anyway I digress, Have a good afternoon

Sincerely, Shadow Weaver.

So maybe ignoring these threads might make it go away? Ok, I'll bite!
Oops, I posted again. Ok, from now on I will resist the urge to keep replying.

.. and then the problem gets to continue to grow unimpeded.

Keep talking. Just keep the discussion going.

Perhaps we need a departure from "government? no way jose!" to a more logical (and dialectic!) discussion on what the problem is exactly and how we can solve it.

Yes or no, it's becoming a rhetoric and mind-numbing.

But the issue is still there!

Simple Shadow.......because certain people, obsessed with the idea of creating a government system, will not leave it be. And those equally obsessed with safeguarding what we have, are determined that the Lindens are aware when reading the forums, that whatever slant is put on polls.....(read by a small percentage of the SL membership), the MAJORITY are against the concept.

I'm curious, what makes you, or Donovan, think no one is listening? I've read every post in this thread, as I'm sure many have. You can listen without agreeing. You can listen without seeing the validity or sense of someone else's point. Don't assume we aren't listening just because we then state our own views without spewing someone else's back at them first. That's a neat trick for marriage counseling, but it tends to make forums way too long when you quote every post that came before yours. I have 'listened', and it's only confirmed my prior stance. I do not want a Linden Sanctioned Player Run government of any shape or form.

I believe a lot of the problem in forming any kind of player controlled conflict resolution comes down to trust. We all trust LL or we wouldnt be paying them. We dont trust something we dont pay for. Anyone so far that keeps saying we need this is someone I wont trust. We do need something but what has been so far offered is not going to work.
Perhaps a monthly payed LL staff to run it would be acceptable to those who want it, say 2 tiers of SL, or a complete new SL with it in place. Offering this as some cure all for abuse is not going to work simply because all loosers in some player ran dispute resolution comitee would go to LL for the final ruling. It would not limit the amount, it would simply add to it.
I feel this whole concept, so far as its been presented, is doomed to failure simply because the majority of all in SL do not want other players handing down judgements that may invovle a great deal of RL dollars.