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Magnum Serpentine
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02-16-2005 22:47
From all I have read, the given ratings were not suppose to had been deleated. I did not see anything in this area.

I have given 9050 ratings. Now this catagory is down to 5600 or so. The Lindens have not paid me the difference.

I was under the impression that the given ratings were not to be tuched mainly because that is money we put into the system.

I am growing increasingly tired of this.
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Adam Zaius
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02-16-2005 22:50
You gave those ratings over 6 months ago. It's affected people's bonuses, and the money has recirculated around the economy. If a refund is to be given, it's to the people who lost the ratings. This sounds more like a way to try get some free money.

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MrsJakal Suavage
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02-16-2005 22:51
I agree with you Magnum. If they are going to take ratings away from people that I have paid to give them too, then we should be refunded. If the choose to ignore our request for refunds, this will take away any incentive to rate positively now knowing that it will be taken away from them in 6 months and I would be out even more Lindens than before.

MJ :)
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02-16-2005 22:54
From: MrsJakal Suavage
... this will take away any incentive to rate positively now knowing that it will be taken away from them in 6 months ...
Pssst, I think this is partly what the Lindens are trying to achieve... ;)
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MrsJakal Suavage
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02-16-2005 22:56
From: Adam Zaius
You gave those ratings over 6 months ago. It's affected people's bonuses, and the money has recirculated around the economy. If a refund is to be given, it's to the people who lost the ratings. This sounds more like a way to try get some free money.

-Adam



Your missing the point. Some of us actually give positive rating to those we feel deserve them. Especially the great builders and creators of SL. I paid to give a positive rating so that they can keep it and have it reflect on their behavior and build. I didn't pay it to have it taken away nor was I aware that this would be the end result. Its not about free money when it was earned money I paid out to begin with!
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02-16-2005 22:57
From: Beryl Greenacre
Pssst, I think this is partly what the Lindens are trying to achieve... ;)


psst, i think you may be right ;)
Magnum Serpentine
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02-16-2005 22:59
From: Beryl Greenacre
Pssst, I think this is partly what the Lindens are trying to achieve... ;)



YOur comments are not funny. And to the person above who accused me of seeking free money, How can I be seeking free money when its money I paid into the rating system.
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02-16-2005 23:01
From: Magnum Serpentine
YOur comments are not funny.
WHo said I'm trying to be funny? I'm callin' it as I see it. :)
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Cristiano Midnight
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02-16-2005 23:09
Magnum, if you have given out 9000 ratings they are meaningless - you are part of the very problem they are trying to solve - I am glad that they have. You don't deserve a refund or to keep your ratings given number - it just tracks the 3000 people you gave +3 the moment you met them at Club Elite. I think they should have levelled the ratings all the way to the $25 changeover point, but the decay seems a fair enough balance. Magnum, seriously, try to find ways to improve your second life - if your products are not selling, then make better products, or do something else. If you focused half as much on that as you do on posting about SL money problems, perhaps your luck would change.
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Magnum Serpentine
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02-16-2005 23:18
From: Cristiano Midnight
Magnum, if you have given out 9000 ratings they are meaningless - you are part of the very problem they are trying to solve - I am glad that they have. You don't deserve a refund or to keep your ratings given number - it just tracks the 3000 people you gave +3 the moment you met them at Club Elite. I think they should have levelled the ratings all the way to the $25 changeover point, but the decay seems a fair enough balance. Magnum, seriously, try to find ways to improve your second life - if your products are not selling, then make better products, or do something else. If you focused half as much on that as you do on posting about SL money problems, perhaps your luck would change.


I have not been to club elite in ages. The people I rated before this disaster were newbies just arriving at the visitors center.

I am not part of the problem. I paid 9050 in ratings expecting them to remain with the people I rated, forever. I expected that the people who got the ratings would have something that would make them happy forever. If Linden Labs chooses to take those ratings away from the people I rated, then I want my money back for the ratings they erased because I expected the people who got rated to keep them forever.

I made people very happy. So happy that many told me that my positive rating was what convenced them that this world of ours is a very nice place to be in. One person even said that my positive rating changed their disaster of a day around to a very good day.
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02-16-2005 23:22
From: Magnum Serpentine

I made people very happy. So happy that many told me that my positive rating was what convenced them that this world of ours is a very nice place to be in. One person even said that my positive rating changed their disaster of a day around to a very good day.


Exactly, Magnum, they served their purpose - not a bad deal for $1L, or even $25L - that should be the purpose of rating - no one remembers who the hell rated them a year ago - you are affected by it in the moment, and it is a nice gesture. I have been very touched myself by people saying thank you with a rating for various things. It is a wonderful boost - but my lord, it does not have to be permanent. In 6 months, if you have gotten no other ratings from someone, you are doing something wrong. Additionally, I rate as much as I ever have - cost has never been a factor, I rate someone when I want to rate them. Now I feel even better about doing so, because it has more of an impact on people. I am glad they have made these changes.
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Magnum Serpentine
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02-16-2005 23:25
From: Cristiano Midnight
Exactly, Magnum, they served their purpose - not a bad deal for $1L, or even $25L - that should be the purpose of rating - no one remembers who the hell rated them a year ago - you are affected by it in the moment, and it is a nice gesture. I have been very touched myself by people saying thank you with a rating for various things. It is a wonderful boost - but my lord, it does not have to be permanent. In 6 months, if you have gotten no other ratings from someone, you are doing something wrong. Additionally, I rate as much as I ever have - cost has never been a factor, I rate someone when I want to rate them. Now I feel even better about doing so, because it has more of an impact on people. I am glad they have made these changes.



Actually cost is a factor. I cannot afford to rate people at 25 bucks a rating. I am not rich at all.
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02-17-2005 02:46
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02-17-2005 02:54
From: Magnum Serpentine
I have not been to club elite in ages. The people I rated before this disaster were newbies just arriving at the visitors center.


I think that speaks volumes of the way the rating system was abused and wasn't actually used by the majority for its intended purpose. You made the decision to pay the money and rate so prolifically (obviously without actually rating based on anything other than seeing an avatar arrive), nobody forced you. Don't cry foul when the rating system changes and start demanding refunds because you spewed positive rates to anyone and everyone you came into contact with.

Your argument is almost as ridiculous as your asertion that stipend is 'pay' and that you've gone 'bankrupt' in an online system where it's not actually possible to do so.

I'm getting increasingly tired of your frequent faulty logic. Get a grip and get on with enjoying SL.
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02-17-2005 02:59
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02-17-2005 03:25
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02-17-2005 03:28
I very much expect that once they have the new system in place we'll see a boost of the ratings income, so even a +10 is worth something, because it reflects a constant good rating of one.

Then it will be serving its purpose.
Hiro Pendragon
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02-17-2005 03:32
Didn't this issue already get talked about enough in this thread?:
/120/f8/36117/1.html

From: Magnum Serpentine
From: Hiro Pendragon

Magnum,

Let's follow your suggestion out.

Let's assume LL refunded the 1L$ rates because they were given under the assumption that the ratings were permanent.

If you refund the rates, then the effects of those ratings should be recalled, too. So, anyone who received additional stipend because of your rates should have that amount deducted from them.

Is this what you want? Because if you're negating your old rates, that's what a full negation would be.


I give up. I see I can't win this.


So rather than answer a simple question, you start another drama-filled thread?

Could we please go back to the original thread on this and respond there, rather than ignore the discussion that went on there?
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02-17-2005 05:12
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02-17-2005 10:19
From: Cristiano Midnight
Magnum, if you have given out 9000 ratings they are meaningless - you are part of the very problem they are trying to solve - I am glad that they have. You don't deserve a refund or to keep your ratings given number - it just tracks the 3000 people you gave +3 the moment you met them at Club Elite. I think they should have levelled the ratings all the way to the $25 changeover point, but the decay seems a fair enough balance. Magnum, seriously, try to find ways to improve your second life - if your products are not selling, then make better products, or do something else. If you focused half as much on that as you do on posting about SL money problems, perhaps your luck would change.


Cris, once again, the voice of reason. Thank you! This is EXACTLY the problem with the rating system. Geeze, there are what, 20,000 avis here (give or take a few thou) and this one person has rated roughly 45% of them? Or, if your scenario is correct (which it probably is), this person gave 15% ratings. Wow!!!

I for one hope LL dumps the ratings system completely. My first month here it was part of my virtual handhsake when meeting people and was almost expected, like tipping.
Mina Firefly
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02-17-2005 10:23
From: Magnum Serpentine
From all I have read, the given ratings were not suppose to had been deleated. I did not see anything in this area.

I have given 9050 ratings. Now this catagory is down to 5600 or so. The Lindens have not paid me the difference.

I was under the impression that the given ratings were not to be tuched mainly because that is money we put into the system.

I am growing increasingly tired of this.


They're sucking us dry :)

But i prefer to stay optimistic....living from your stippend is no longer an option anymore.

You can try to keep your rates and stuff but it won't help , these days no one rates back.
Chip Midnight
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02-17-2005 10:25
From: Mina Firefly
these days no one rates back.


I'd call that a positive sign that the changes are having the desired effect. Ratings were never supposed to be a quid pro quo kind of deal.
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02-17-2005 10:30
From: Mina Firefly
these days no one rates back.
that is not my experience.
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Cristiano Midnight
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02-17-2005 10:33
From: Jauani Wu
that is not my experience.


Nor mine.
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Illy Hope
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02-17-2005 10:50
frankly, i dont see what the big deal is with the ratings. what is the difference between telling a person that their creations/style/whatever is great in a simple IM, and giving them a rating? to me the only difference is that no one will be able to see the IM whereas giving a rating will be seen. I see complaints everywhere about how they cannot afford to give a 25L rating, well if thats the case then why not just tell the person that they are good and leave it like that?
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