Interesting....

Ok! Although I felt I needed to make myself clear on that
Also this makes 2 threads we agree on! we are on a roll!

Thank you for reading between the lines Chritiano thats exactly what I meant but didnt say it very well...sometimes I dont communicate my thoughts well in the forums .... but in no way was I being insenitive...and I apologize if it sounded that way...but I just thought that it was getting far fetched....and well silly.......but the buring cross does have an archetype symbol and means the same to who ever sees it...but not the noose.....I should have stayed out and not posted but it did make me bust out laughing reading it after such a long read of complete seriousness......I and cried...because its a frye how things here get carried away....

I am sincerely sorry if I was offensive...I sure didnt mean to be....the thread needed abit of lightening.....sorry

I think I was the one a bit too sensitve when reading your post, and I am sorry. I too have trouble getting my points across and making sense... totally understandable.

I find this more and more interesting.....

Sensual...complaining about something she has never seen....
Cristiano.....you actually saw the cross! I have pictures of you and 2 female avatars fooling around in the church right next to the burning cross at least 2 weeks back. Interestingly enough it did not disturb you or any one else then.
It took a post by a disgruntled child to get all this stirred up.

he basic idea behind the church is 'intolerance' - s in much of my other work too - and I hate to say it...many of you have proven me way too right.

The project, as announced, was documented along the way in very many steps - and will be exhibited along with notecards inthe Gualala gallery. may it be a memorial to the tolerance of SL ingame and on these forums.

Okay, I may have no business jumping in here with an opinion now, but what the hell:

Az, I saw the burning cross and broken tablet of Islam when you first put them up (I have a screen shot of them that I saved to disk, actually). In light of the fact that they were displayed inside a church, I took them to mean a general questioning of religion or some aspects of religion, or maybe a protest against religion in general, or something to that effect.

However, since these images are rather charged with emotion for many, and very open to interpretation, I think it would have been a better test of "tolerance in SL" if you had put up some sort of notecard explaining what you were trying to convey (I know you noted elsewhere that you intended to get around to that, except that the items were removed by a Linden before you could).

Conversely, if your idea of testing "tolerance in SL" is to see how many people you can tick off and how many neg-ratings you can incur by displaying potentially offensive items, I'd say you're doing a bang-up job of it and don't change a thing.

(I should probably note that the last abuse report I filed was against an avatar wearing what was obviously a Ku Klux Klan hood and robe. Or maybe nobody cares about this bit of trivia... who knows.)

I care. Its starting to get ridiculous. What Az has failed to mention was that the cross had a flame in it, it was not enveloped in flames and therefore did not resemble the klan symbol. Being the mature person he is, instead of telling us that, he decided to let a flame war rage. Way to go Az!

I can only guess this quote is directed towards me

It took a post by a disgruntled child to get all this stirred up.

But regardless that you are an old man and not a child, this sounds more like you!

Btw your place in Gualala about made me want to vomit, It has to take a sick minded individual to want to look at those pictures everyday....

Az at the time I was in your build, there was no burning cross to my knowledge - my girlfriend, who was also there, and I both would have been quite offended by that. If this is truly as Kasandra has said, a cross with a flame in it and not a cross on fire, that is an entirely different matter and shame on you for letting this debate about a burning cross rage on. If you want to get down into semantics to justify what you say is "intolerance", that is sad.

Had you put a full on burning cross symbol in your church or anywhere, the intolerant person would be you - not those offended by it. Nowhere in this argument did you correct the statement that we were talking about a burning crucifix - so the reactions you got here are quite expected.

Cristiano

Did anyone even take the time to look while it was still there? Or was it just assumed to be what someone assumed it to be...making others assume that it was wrong?

And now I am the one who by saying 'burning cross', which indeed it was' am the one whose fault this is...?

As I said, getting into a semantics game at this point is silly - you know full well what a burning cross symbolizes, and you let this argument go on. A burning cross is a vile, hateful symbol of racism at its lowest, and no amount of crying "intolerance" changes the history of that symbol, or how people react to it. As I have said all along I support you, but you did let this go on and offended a lot of people in the process. All you had to say was it is not a burning cross - it is a cross with a small flame inside of it - but you didn't, and for that I think you have gotten exactly the reaction you deserve.

Cristiano

And you do realize by the time I heard about it, it was already down. So there was no way for me to see it. And burning cross were your words, not mine.

Az, I know your aim is to provoke discussion, but discussion requires context. Without context all you do is provoke, in which case you're fueling intolerance, not making a statement about it.

hee! who needs to *fuel* intolerence in SL? we have plenty!