THe FIC
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Mash Mandala
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Join date: 19 Jan 2004
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03-26-2005 09:43
This whole FIC thing reminds of the realtor story. A realtor was approached by a gentleman about purchasing a house in a new town. He wanted to know in general what the new town was like. The realtor asked him what the town he was leaving was like. To this, the gentlemen replied…..oh the town is ok but the people are rude and snobby….they only care about themselves. The realtor replied that he probably shouldn’t move, as the new town was the same way.
A few days later, the realtor was once again approached about purchasing a house in the same town again. Again he asked the same question. This time the answer was a bit different. Oh the town is great, the people are so friendly and willing to help one another. I am so sad to leave there. His answer was the same as before ….the new town is the same way!
This FIC thing has been worked over well…I think its time that we talk about another group that lives here. The CAVE people. For those of you who don’t know what that stands for…..CITIZENS AGAINST VIRTUALLY EVERYTHING! Have a great day!
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Baba Yamamoto
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03-26-2005 12:06
And thus:  Feel free to use this in world!
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blaze Spinnaker
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03-26-2005 14:01
It's a good story, Mash  Too bad it got ruined by the pointless image. However, I think if you spend your time and do your research, you'll find that people can be both for and against things.
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Barrister Kennedy
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Join date: 27 Jan 2005
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03-26-2005 17:34
From: Mash Mandala This whole FIC thing reminds of the realtor story. A realtor was approached by a gentleman about purchasing a house in a new town. He wanted to know in general what the new town was like. The realtor asked him what the town he was leaving was like. To this, the gentlemen replied…..oh the town is ok but the people are rude and snobby….they only care about themselves. The realtor replied that he probably shouldn’t move, as the new town was the same way.
A few days later, the realtor was once again approached about purchasing a house in the same town again. Again he asked the same question. This time the answer was a bit different. Oh the town is great, the people are so friendly and willing to help one another. I am so sad to leave there. His answer was the same as before ….the new town is the same way!
This FIC thing has been worked over well…I think its time that we talk about another group that lives here. The CAVE people. For those of you who don’t know what that stands for…..CITIZENS AGAINST VIRTUALLY EVERYTHING! Have a great day! Oddly enough, this sounds more like an anecdote about redlining (an unfair housing practice where realtors steer certain minorities away from specific communities) than it does about the shifting of perceptions.
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Oz Spade
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Join date: 23 Sep 2003
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03-26-2005 20:23
Actualy the FIC didn't exist untill it was thought to exist. Kinda like the old theory that in the beggining of time, to name something, was to create it. In a way, exactly this happened.
The very thing that was feared didn't exist untill it was mentioned as a fear.
Go figure.
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Baba Yamamoto
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03-26-2005 20:25
From: blaze Spinnaker It's a good story, Mash  Too bad it got ruined by the pointless image. Another one bites the dust......
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Huns Valen
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03-26-2005 20:31
I don't get it.
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Baba Yamamoto
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03-26-2005 20:32
Its a penis joke.
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Nolan Nash
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03-26-2005 21:21
From: Oz Spade Actualy the FIC didn't exist untill it was thought to exist. Kinda like the old theory that in the beggining of time, to name something, was to create it. In a way, exactly this happened.
The very thing that was feared didn't exist untill it was mentioned as a fear.
Go figure. This has been my position all along, I wish I could've said it as succinctly. I have a sneaking feeling that it's being done with intent. 
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Munchflower Zaius
Simulated Simulacra
Join date: 31 Jan 2004
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03-28-2005 13:41
It totally is.
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David Valentino
Nicely Wicked
Join date: 1 Jan 2004
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03-28-2005 13:46
Oh..sure..let's all pretend that the FIC didn't exsist. Let's all keep our blinders on. Let's not complain lest we create the thing of which we speak. Let's drink the special water and frolick about in our own little Eden. Bah! And again I say Bah! 
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Nethermind Bliss
Raving Xenophile
Join date: 29 Dec 2004
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03-28-2005 13:49
I am forming a new elite group: Feted Fringe Dwellers. It's so elite, I'm not even allowed in.
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Kathy Yamamoto
Publisher and Surrealist
Join date: 1 May 2003
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03-29-2005 09:19
What the heck are the FIC????
I need to clear this up. One reason is that I’m thinking of re-publishing the Glossary I used to give to newbies. Another reason is that I’m getting way too many conflicting – or just plain silly – definitions in my mind, and it’s giving me an headache.
My understanding of the phrase so far – in a neutral sort of way – is that it’s the Feted (Celebrated) Inner Core (not sure you can have an Outer Core): people who are recognized as having significantly contributed to the development of the Second Life. Is that close to what people assume it means?
If so, I fail to understand how any massively multiplayer interactive environment that depends primarily on player-created content can AVOID having a group of people who are either more talented, more ambitious, more dedicated, more interested, etc. How could it be prevented? And why – exactly – would you want to?
What would be the alternative? And how would you regulate the level of contribution? And aren’t respect and admiration natural human feelings? Why shouldn’t I celebrate people who can build, texture or script at a level close to magic?
I suppose I’ve missed a bazillion threads about this, but I’m not really interested in a shouting match, I just want to know what the crux of all this is.
Once again: who are these evil people? And why are they evil?
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Artillo Fredericks
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03-29-2005 09:28
I'm all for being agaist stuff 
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Shadow Weaver
Ancient
Join date: 13 Jan 2003
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03-29-2005 10:00
From: Nolan Nash This has been my position all along, I wish I could've said it as succinctly. I have a sneaking feeling that it's being done with intent.  Oh Please! Nolan we all know the FIC is just a figment of Prokofy Neva's Imagination....
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Bruno Buckenburger
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03-29-2005 10:14
From: Kathy Yamamoto My understanding of the phrase so far – in a neutral sort of way – is that it’s the Feted (Celebrated) Inner Core (not sure you can have an Outer Core): people who are recognized as having significantly contributed to the development of the Second Life. Is that close to what people assume it means?
I don't view them as having significantly contributed to the development of SL. I really see them as a whiny group of elitists who oppose any idea they do not come up with themselves. I know that is not really a definition to go into a newbie glossary but these people are typical of the sort of laughable geeks you see in any online enterprise. The old-timer mind-set. A group of people who know it all and enjoy reminding others how they know it all. The problem for these people is that their egos expand at the same rate their relevance declines. There are people in-game who have contiributed more in two months than some of these blowhards have in two years. Of course there are exceptions but very few with this group.
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David Valentino
Nicely Wicked
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03-29-2005 10:15
I have to disagree. The FIC does exist. Shall I name names? You've seen them, strutting around, full of themselves. Certain FIC are merely the oldest of residence, while others are close-knit families that live in their towers and look down at us scornfully. Still others, while not the first breed, have become FIC by achievements, almost always aided by Lindens on thier payroll, that have gotten unfair publicity and attention.
And the last type of FIC, are the socializers that seem to know everyone and are always saying something so clever and witty, tossing around humor and wisdom like their shit don't stink.
But added together, with thier secret communications and midnight meetings, they do indeed plot and control many of Second Lifes social, political and technical directions.
Even Philip answers the red phone when it rings. The direct line to his command center, that only the FIC members are privy to.
Oh ye newbs...if you don't think the FIC is watching and judging, then you are woefully naive.
The Feted (or Fetid) Inner Core, bravely exposed by Prokofy's words, does indeed exist. They are alive and well within the luxurious and hidden VIP lounges of SL. And they are watching..waiting..like bloated spiders in their webs. Watch out lest you become the entangled fly!
Edited: David Valentino has been suspended indefinitely, and is unavailable for future communications as of now.
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Michi Lumin
Sharp and Pointy
Join date: 14 Oct 2003
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03-29-2005 10:15
The FIC is relative. To any given resident who feels it exists, it's members are anyone who they feel have been here longer, have been more successful, have more money, have more friends, or in general, have more than they do, earned, found, granted, or otherwise.
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Annah Zamboni
Banannah Annah
Join date: 2 Jun 2004
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03-29-2005 10:19
From: Mash Mandala The CAVE people. For those of you who don’t know what that stands for…..CITIZENS AGAINST VIRTUALLY EVERYTHING! Have a great day! So you are against these people? Seriously, I have seen a different thing going on. Someone will post a thread complaining about something specific. People will start discussing it rationally. Then eventually people will come along yelling "you want to ban everything" and blow the entire discussion out of proportion. Maybe there's another group: Citizens Against Discussion. (CADs)
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Weedy Herbst
Too many parameters
Join date: 5 Aug 2004
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03-29-2005 10:20
From: Shadow Weaver Oh Please!
Nolan we all know the FIC is just a figment of Prokofy Neva's Imagination.... Plain and simple. Now it's a saying perpetuated in ridicule.
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Toy LaFollette
I eat paintchips
Join date: 11 Feb 2004
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03-29-2005 10:33
From: Michi Lumin The FIC is relative. To any given resident who feels it exists, it's members are anyone who they feel have been here longer, have been more successful, have more money, have more friends, or in general, have more than they do, earned, found, granted, or otherwise. Well said, Michi Do I for one look up to and respect some members? Of course I do. The thing is I do it whether they have been in SL longer or less time than me. It doesnt enter into it. Do I have problems with some people? Of course I do, but once again the age has nothing to do with it  Do I whine about things I have no control over, or about others who may have more than I do? Of course I dont, its a demeaning thing to do and accomplishes nothing, it would only lessen what I am and who I am. The age thing is rediculous, is an infant born into the world with all the knowledge of the world? Of course not  If they learn, they succeed if they whine, eventually they are ignored. Let's hope all whining is eventually ignored 
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Surina Skallagrimson
Queen of Amazon Nations
Join date: 19 Jun 2003
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03-29-2005 10:39
Kathy, I believe the orriginal inferance was that while the FIC may indeed excel at building/scripting/whatever, they are also deep up the waste disposal tracts of the Lindens and hence get prefferential treatment from same...
The apparent envy portrayed against the FIC (assuming we, errr.... I mean they, even exist) is due entirely to this belief.
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Shadow Weaver
Ancient
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03-29-2005 10:41
From: Toy LaFollette Well said, Michi Do I for one look up to and respect some members? Of course I do. The thing is I do it whether they have been in SL longer or less time than me. It doesnt enter into it. Do I have problems with some people? Of course I do, but once again the age has nothing to do with it  Do I whine about things I have no control over, or about others who may have more than I do? Of course I dont, its a demeaning thing to do and accomplishes nothing, it would only lessen what I am and who I am. The age thing is rediculous, is an infant born into the world with all the knowledge of the world? Of course not  If they learn, they succeed if they whine, eventually they are ignored. Let's hope all whining is eventually ignored  Ah Toy, I only whine for you hun.. Just kidding but very well said and I emulate what your saying here its not a matter of age even though I tout on and on about being ancient and Fetid but thats only cause I have grown grey hairs and well the Right guard just doesnt cut it anymore. hehe.
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Shadow Weaver
Ancient
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03-29-2005 10:42
From: Surina Skallagrimson Kathy, I believe the orriginal inferance was that while the FIC may indeed excel at building/scripting/whatever, they are also deep up the waste disposal tracts of the Lindens and hence get prefferential treatment from same...
The apparent envy portrayed against the FIC (assuming we, errr.... I mean they, even exist) is due entirely to this belief. LMAO sorry Surina if you shoot me in the Head you still wont get an Ass Shot on a Linden...LOL
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Aimee Weber
The one on the right
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03-29-2005 10:46
From: David Valentino Edited: David Valentino has been suspended indefinitely, and is unavailable for future communications as of now. LOL!!!  this was my favorite part of your post. I imagined you being dragged down the hall, kicking and screaming, by men in black. "Avenge me Skully!!!"
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