Anshe Chung has referred 65 people to SecondLife - how many have you referred?

Excellent post Cris!!

And for the record, I've only ever referred one person and that was Oz Spade. He is enough of a handful, I don't think SL could withstand any more referrals from me.

LOL Pen! I referred Tatiana Jensen, but Lecktor Hannibal heard me talking about it and joined.

i have one word...

SMACKTARD




*huggglez*

Wow and I referred you - so in the end I am responsible for both you and Oz being here. Talk about your classic vicious circle

LOL!! That's right!

Hey wait... I don't know if I should have laughed at that?!

LOL I did that on purpose

I wasn't trying to name names, blaze; you seem to do that so well.

I was only trying to tell you the history of your hero without naming names.

Then again, some of us use our intellect to read between the lines.

Some, well, we're still spoon-feeding and wiping their mouths with bibs.

Why not share a link, Lynn? I'd have no idea of what to search for in the archives.

Obviously, if I've been defending something idefensible, I'm willing to admit my mistake.

Chris, what I've done isn't really an issue. I'm not going around attacking people.

It's like the rather wise saying goes, "let him who is without sin cast the first stone".. I've sinned aplenty, so I aint casting no stones..

I figured that would be the single point you would respond to. I am glad you take the attitude of not ever speaking up when you see people being wronged, but not everyone feels that way. To each his own. What you have done or have not done is not an issue, you are right, but you started this thread with a question you did not answer yourself.

Also, good actions by someone do not automatically offset bad ones. Anshe is no innocent victim who has been stoned. She is a person running a business in SL, and has been called to task over and over again for her practices. I don't see you calling her out for any of the many personal attacks she has made. Your bias has definitely shown in this thread - it would have more credibility if you said ever took a stand against the same actions by Anshe.

Im starting to think this thread teeters on reverse psychology basically.. blaze post about how good someone is knowing that only like 2 people out of a million like the said person and know that everyone will bash her mercefully all while he looks like the hero in the midst not battling anyone or slaying any dragons.

This is what I know:

Every time I have chosen to "leave" SL it has been because of "Lynch Mob" mentality of prominent "creative contributors" of SL in the forums.

Anshe Chung has never been a reason for me to want to flip my computer the bird and push it off the table. However, I could name several AV's who make me want to do that right now because of their actions in these forums.

Champie

I'm one of those annoying people who tends to look at a statement from all angles.

OK, Anshe has referred 65 people to SL. That is only a piece of the question if you are holding that up as a virtue. Other questions. Are they all first timers? Are they still playing SL? What contributions have these new players made? Are these people I would enjoy knowing and hanging out with?

Quantity vs. Quality. It's a valid question. Give me one cool person versus a dozen smacktards anyday.

Surreal

Whether Anshe is good or not, isn't really the point. The point is that people should stop attacking her, cause they're all just looking like a bunch of envy-mad creeps for doing it.

If you have a problem, propose a rule that would fix the problem. Stop with the witch hunts and lynch mobs.

i dont think that matters.. i mean she already got her credit for it.. 65k linden dollars atleast...thats not counting if they went to premium accounts. think about it! yall are questioning as if yall are thinking about presenting her with an award.

You raised the issue again of envy. Please point out anyone who is envious of Anshe? Why must someone who disagrees with how someone treats someone else be envious/jealous? If you have a large group of people speaking out about someone, you can label that a lynch mob if you want to - or recognize that she has pissed off enough people that they don't remain silent about it. If people were just posting "Oooh, Anshe is a bad bad girl" I would agree with you. However, when people are posting about things that have individually happened to them, or pointing out ways that Anshe has been gaming the system (for which she was penalized), that is not a lynch mob but a group of people who felt the need to voice what has happened to them. Anshe is hardly the victim of a witch hunt.

As far as posting solutions to the problem, many have been posted - and nothing has changed, other than the change in the enforcement of the 7 day land claiming from auctions. You are right, just speaking about it does nothing - but to say that no solutions have been proposed, that Anshe has not been spoken with, or that actions have not been taken to try to solve the perceived problem is not true.

Problem is -- a lot of us know this person has broken the rules, and a lot of us recognize this person's backhanded tactics inworld and in the forums. But there's no real public enforcement system in Second Life to deter such behavior -- so beyond reporting the person's behavior inworld and/or responding publicly in the forums, what is there to do?

To have a lynch mob, you've got to have laws that the mob ignores. No relevant laws, and community justice prevails against the perpetual violator, as ugly as that may be.

Or are you arguing for SL government to replace community justice, Blaze? Maybe that's a more credible approach for you.


ed. for one word

You pretty much hit the nail on the head, though I don't know about what's credible and what's not.

The reason I defend Anshe is because she comes onto the forums. My theory is that if she were more of an Enron type she wouldn't bother trying to explain herself, she'd just laff all the way to the bank.

Also, the fact is, if she really was a true land baron she's just have a dynamic IP address and 30 different ALTS and land baron seperately under each one. She'd fly under the radar and nobody would be the wiser.

However, you bring up some very good points and pretty worthy of addressing.

Should we run SL via mob-rule? There was a comment about Linden's privately asking people to post in the forums their various complaints. Was that there attempt to encourage mob rule? I have my doubts, yet the claim was made.

There was an article cited in Wired about p2p disputes and a dispute resolution system. I think that's a very very exciting line of investigation and once again renews my belief that SecondLife is the most cutting edge and relevant game in town.

I do a lot of ecommerce, and my favorite resolution system is SquareTrade and PayPal. I think SquareTrade is better, but in the end an arbiter is still required (though less often then in other arbitration systems).

So, the question is who is going to be the arbiter? Tough call. My guess is that for now it could be a Linden until we have a better understanding of dispute resolution.

One problem with this though is what about spurious charges? Do you charge lindens for each dispute?

I guess one way is to charge an amount of lindens based on the penalty. For example, if you wanted to get a player banned you'd charge 10K to go into dispute resolution. If you just wanted to send a warning to a player, you'd charge maybe a 100 lindens.

It's a very exciting problem that deserves discussion. It's a pity people don't spend time thinking up ideas about that and instead make petty little comments about other players.

Debating about the good and bad points of one person in Second Life has very little usefulness. On the other hand, we really welcome a debate about land policies. Within Linden we recognize the need to improve the way land is deployed and are tracking your ideas as we discuss a different approach. Focusing on one person is a distraction from progress.

I agree. I'm probably not helping matters much, but it's hard to see attacks go unanswered.

As for comments about deploying land .. if we knew what you guys were doing or trying to do it would be possible to comment. Are you trying to keep the price steady? Do you have a target price? Are you trying to get rid of land barons by scaring them off with sudden floods of land? Or are you just throwing a dart against the wall and say "this is how much land we'll deploy today".

It's impossible to theorize in any way because the process is so opaque. I think you'll find if you say "We want to reduce land baroning" you'd probably get a lot of happy people who would agree with you, probably even the land barons wouldn't complain cause at least you gave them fair warning.

But just flooding the land and getting rid of the land barons without telling them that you were going to depress the value of land is cruel punishment for investing in your world.

Be the dictator, fine, but tell us what the rules are going to be.

Thank you, blaze for nice post

I think many of posts on this thread can stand for themself and say many things about their authors, so I don't think I need comment on those.

But some people ask whom I refered and from where. I think I can give you rough answer. Might be good to know for other people who like help to grow our community.

From my 65 referals, about 15 referals are from people from my guild and from my own accounts. My guild is playing World of Warcraft now. Second Life did not appeal to most of my guildmates because of lack of adventuring content.

The remaining 50 referals come from people whom I did not know before. I wrote reviews and posted them on Gamespot and MMORPG.COM. In those review I described my experiences and mentioned the opportunities in Second Life. Mmmm, I assume that each referal was a new player who has not been involve with Second Life before. I also assume that most people who read my review did not remember put in my name in the referal field. This means that method was highly effective and I recommend to other people who want help Second Life grow to post reviews on websites and forums, so people know more about opportunities in our loved virtual world

gawd.. these posts just tickle me inside

So here's the general form: People who buy up huge amounts of land, plague their neighbors with signs, occlusive terraforming, restrictrive land banning making access to home land difficult, and post broadly about their contribution to the commonweal are bad for SL.

If you would like a specific example of how such conduct could be bad for SL. please read abundant posts regarding such behavior. Perhaps you could come up with a general policy to address that conduct; I think this is called "shooting flies with elephant guns" in legislative circles.

Malachi, they don't even need to do that.

They could 'hint' that this behaviour is discouraged and land barons would run for the hills because they know that LL could just flood the market.

However, if you spend time reading various comments, articles, speaking enagements, etc like I have from Cory (and a bit from Philip) you'll see that they do NOT have a problem with this behaviour. There theory is that Land Baron's only get about a 10% markup for their troubles and they think that's OK.

In fact, Philip publically encouraged land developing and resell on his blog.

Unfortunately, these statements have been contradicted by the latest land floods. Or maybe they haven't. Who knows? If there target price is a medium value of 5/m2 then this is just a market fluctuation and nothing more as they will be throttling the flood in the near future. Or maybe not. Maybe they're trying to scare the bejeezus out of land barons?

They're making us guess. What else are they making us guess about? Object search? Payment systems? External LSL development system?

Who can work in an environment where you need to guess what the rules are going to be tomorrow. You can't.

are we STILL HERE???

yes Willow..and all the brownies are gone...BUT I have donuts and ice cream now.


Peace...& *whispers* you know what

Jase