Anshe Chung has referred 65 people to SecondLife - how many have you referred?

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Ok Aces, say what you want. Also, please use this thread, cause I find it helps me make my point.

*covers her virgin ears!*

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You're a troll because you're trying to get reactions FROM the lynch mob. Stop. No one cares.

No one cares about what, exactly?

Clearly they care a lot about attacking other people non-stop. When I try to counterbalance the witch hunt with some positive comments .. I'm called a reaction seeking troll.

Don't you think for a second that this points to something clearly gruesome about the character and makeup of the people on these forums?

Why would anyone want to be associated or even interested in the community of SecondLife if it is made up of such spiteful and hateful people who can not simply live and let live.

People who'd rather insult and attack rather than advocate a more positive and constructive environment?

I agree certain business practices aren't necessarily the most efficient .. but how am I a troll by pointing out that the solution here is stop personally attacking business minded people and start thinking about the root of the problem - the rule set that lets these business practices prosper.

Trust me, if I was a troll I'd just post messages like "Bush is god!!!" or something. There are much easier ways to bait the public. I am posting messages because I heartfully believe that a very dangerous and gruesome wrong is being committed by a large section of the so-called 'moral majority'.

If someone truly is a virtuous soul, then why do they need others to back them up incessently with stupid posts deploring how wonderful the person is?

For the record, I've referred 17 residents, mostly friends of mine. And honestly, I'm probably a better businessman, ethics-wise, than ms. Anshe. And that's what most people's problems are with her.

But, referring more residents does not make you a better person, it just means you've slapped your referral link to more places.

Stop to sell compliments in boxes.

LF

Before you start throwing words like 'stupid' around, you may want to reconsider your usage of the word deplore.

As for having to make these comments I have to ask myself the same thing. Why is it necessary? My only thought is because there is a culture of anger, envy and spite that seems to rule these forums.

Why not ask yourself this - why is it that Lindens need to constantly post on threads asking people to stop making personal attacks?

So how'd she do it? Google ad words? Lets all get google ad words. Same # of ppl will sign up, but the referals are distributed. So how's she doing it?

If there were a culture of anger, surely it would be directed at me more than Anshe, then. I've said more inflammatory things in my 1.5 years here than she could possibly ever hope to. Ergo, if this really is a "culture of anger and spite" that you claim it is, then I must be secretly ostracized from everything ever. Which may be the case, who knows...

LF

You see blaze, a long time ago when we had a discussion on government here on the forums -- long, long time before the land baron issue arose -- someone made a comment that they were from *other* games on the internet. They told a story in sheer glee how they gathered together a group, assasinated the character of another player with other guilds, and "burnt down his virtual home" in a mob-frenzy.

They wanted that kind of government here in SL.

That spoke volumes to me about the character posting those comments. "You are not innocent until proven guilty, you are guilty because of my play-acting innocence."

If you don't believe me, research the archives, the comments are there.

While this isn't a mob lynching as you propose that it is, there are some here who not only can read between the lines, but also interpret what is being said.

The 65 members came from other games -- from other "guilds" that have been created, and in one post, there was even a whine that "most of these boys will follow me anywhere, but not to SL." (paraphrased)

My advice? Go back to those shielded-armour games with wizards, spells, munchkins and monsters. There's no spell or wizardry for you on the forums to protect you.

No one is stopping the business of "land sales" -- but the population is simply stating their opinion and strong dislike of the practices that have been used in the past to acquire that land, sell that land, and the treatment of the neighbors in the surrounding land.

If you're not strong enough to drink the coffee, stop grinding the beans; and for god's sake, please stop curdling the cream.

I gotta admit, you lost me. It's not easy but you did.

Anyways, I guess I'm just stating my opinion as well? Except that I'm not doing it in the form of a personal attack.

You have to wonder about people who feel the need to resort to ad hominem to make their point. It's a painful comment on their intellectual honesty.

Guess you're not smart enough to read between the lines, blaze.

My dumb luck.

hmm, five accounts allowed per credit card. . . . that's well above even the average in the U.S to make this many alt accounts.

But seriously. . . can we get a count of how many people have been driven out by this Angel (I LOVE that other thread), her tactics, and what it has meant for SL in general. I know of four people personally who have left the game (two of them fairly long standing) because, as they said to me, of this specific beacon of light. From the reactions I've seen in the forums and in world, I'm sure the number of people driven out by her is much higher, and definitely balances the 30 actual other people she's brought to the game (I'll give her half of these referrals not being alts used for nefarious purposes).

Now, is this mostly wild conjecture? Probably. . . but, it's based on facts that have actually been presented to me. Unlike Anshe's constant accusation of me of forming a lynch mob against her, mass neg rating her, and generally conspiring to make her second life hellish (ironic, no?) all of which is not true. Once again, for the record, I'm a hermit - I don't have a mob - when Anshe and I clashed, I specifically requested that others that care for me stay out of it (Anshe really didn't need to make requests of her alts). Her accusations are completely baseless and have crossed from the point of being infuriating to being pathetically amusing in their baseless stupidity.

Now, how's that for an early day grumpy post?

Really, Lynn, I read it over like three times. I can't figure it out.

Are you for or against the "mob-frenzy"?

I get the sense you are for, thought that seems a bit odd as you seem like a fairly orderly person. But if you're against, then why the bit about that they are simply stating their opinion?

I really tried to figure it out.

Once again blaze this is not needed. You always make these post. The everyone is wrong lets start an arugment post deal is getting quite old! learn from your mistakes.. this isnt the first thread you have graced us with that we all turned against you. Note the pattern and back away from these things in which makes people dislike you. I do not know if you have issues communicating in RL so you bring it here and try to get people to aruge with you but this really isnt the place. Especially lynn.. your taunting the wrong one she is one of the sweetest unbiased people around and i really dont think its neccesary that you play games with such people.

M8, they love me at toastmasters.

Anyways, appeal to popularity is a logical fallacy.

Here's a couple of links for you:

http://www.datanation.com/fallacies/pop.htm
http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/appeal-to-popularity.html

Seems to me you have way to much time on your hands and not enough friends. I suggest you go sit in your streetcar in boardmen or where ever you built the monstrosity and wait and hope someone comes by and offers you there friendship other then that i cannot think of any other cure. Sorry.

LL changed the rules only recently, you can only have 5 accounts per credit card. Now if a person were to have 5 credit cards (average in the US these days) then that is 25 accounts right off the bat.

Not on one side or the other here just pointing out the obvious.

sadly true. I have enough cc's that i cannot carry them all in my wallet i just carry the most used.. others are locked up incase i decide i want to buy a house or something LOL

billy billy billy.

Don't you feel for a moment any regret about attacking my personal life?

Let's say it's true, for a moment (it's not, I am awash .. I am also rather persistent), don't you think that I might be hurt by a comment like that?

Do you even feel a twinge of guilt or remorse?

Do you think you are somehow creating a better world by attacking me like that? It's somehow raising the level of dialogue?

I wasnt attacking your personal life. I am talking about your ways in your secondlife. Dont make it into something its not. And me remorse? thats like saying do you not aggrivate people with your fight envoking banter?

If that isn't attacking my personal life, I dunno what is!

And proposing contrarian concepts and challenging preconceptions may be irritating but it's also what keeps us thinking, moving forward.

I really do believe that does raise the level of dialogue..

Anyhow, my wife is making pancakes now and I have some bathroom renovating to do. Until next time my fuzzy friends!

Thank You, your banter really made us all think. I just realized i need to fix the worlds problems! Congrats blaze you touched us all deeply.

I will go out on a limb here for a sec. While I think the subject line of this thread was purposely inflammatory and trolling, I will respond to it nonetheless. To answer the question, 32. Whether Anshe has inflated her referral rate by creating alts or not, no one has ever said she has not at times done positive things in SL. The vast majority of those referrals came quite awhile ago, pre-land baron activities, as she was the head of a very active guild in Shadowbane and referred members from there. Referring 1 resident or 100 is a good thing, and she does deserve credit for that.

I can't speak for anyone but myself, but I have never claimed Anshe has not done any positive things in SL (I rather enjoyed when she used to teach people how to give virtual blow jobs). I have always found her nice on a personal level. How someone runs their business reflects on the individual, however, and as has been documented by many, many people, Anshe has run afoul of some basic principles of being a half way decent human being. Anshe is not simply the pinata du jour for us to take a whack at. If Anshe ran her business honestly, you would not find the outpouring by such a wide variety of people about her actions. She responds to any criticism with a typical narcisstic response of "you are just jealous".

She has proven very talented at skirting the TOS while still managing to harm other players in a variety of ways, though she has occasionally slipped up and been nailed for it in one way or another. That certainly takes skill, something Anshe is not lacking in. You should always be the best at what you do, and Anshe has proven that, in good and mostly bad ways.

BTW, Blaze, I did not read this entire thread, how many people have you referred? Taught any classes, mentored anything, worked for Live Help, anything of the sort? Just curious.