17 December 1934

Isn't this the same sort of stereotypical bigotry that has you upset?

How delightfully ironic, you started this thread with a post about Hitler, and his drive to cleanse Germany of "perversions and perverted people" Hitler also wanted to regulate the gene pool.

Shall we call you "Clitler"? Since you want to use the same methods to cleanse the world of heterosexuals?

Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't think there would be people who actually support the idea of children starving.

I didn't think there were people who were happy that children grow up with no parents.

I didn't think there were people who were happy that children grow up abused and neglected.

I don't know what you mean by your Hitler reference. This isn't about regulating the gene pool. This is about abolishing atrocities and protecting children. Maybe I was wrong to think that everyone would support protecting children. Obviously there will be heterosexuals around. They just won't be able to breed unregulated. Left to their own devices, terrible thing occur. It is an abomination.


When reproduction is regulated will there really be a difference between heterosexuals and homosexuals?

All people will be subject to the regulations surrounding procreation. Births outside of the system will be a criminal offense. As such, anyone commiting such an offense would deemed unfit as parents. Naturally it would be in the best interest of the child not to have criminal parents.

I don't want it both ways. I am proposing a universal solution that shall apply to all people. It is just that heterosexuals, by nature of their biology, are the number one contributors to abortion, orphans and child depravation. While it is possible for homosexuals to biologically reproduce, they represent very small minority.


This is not a stereotype. These are facts.

Alright really everyone...this is not a hetero vs homo cage match. Yes there are abandoned children out there and yes people do have sex without thinking...on both sides. I personally am not for regulation of any sort...not of my ovaries or my mind. I have no children but I do want them someday. The solution to over breeding does not lie in forcing people not to breed it is more in making it harder. The US pays good money for people to have kids that they cannot afford. I don't know what the solution is. Part of me says take away the benefits and you take away the urge to breed...no check equals no unwanted babies...the other part of me says but what about those born in the interim. But to blame people for having children is as insane as blaming people for being homosexual. We are not supposed to be fighting against each other. This is not a war of humans. Just because the political machine is creating a war doesn't mean we need to buy into it. So pretty much stop fucking fighting over gay and straight shit and start fighting about human shit. Nuff said.

well maybe not nuff...how can you want regulation over anything natural. Without government support people would only have what they could afford. But do not try to regulate my uterus. It is mine. I know how to use it and I have used it wisely. Regulation hurts everyone and helps no one...it is regulation that has caused this problem and more regulation will not fix it.

Sorry I don't usually curse. So, If my vulgar speech offended anyone I am sorry.

It's fine to blame ALL heterosexuals because SOME of them are guilty but when confronted with the FACT that many homosexuals have children too you change your standard… What you propose is of no consequence regarding what I am saying. I am addressing your accusation that ALL heterosexuals are guilty but ALL homosexuals are not. That is the definition of a double standard and hypocrite.

Try to not get upset Isis... I responded to this thread knowing that neehai was picking a fight and is just running off at the mouth. It is obvious that he does not believe the crap that he is saying so take it with a grain of salt.

It's role reversal. Putting heterosexuals in the same position as homosexuals. And heteroxexuals didnt' like it one bit. Mmmm...

ohh I'm not upset as in..."I'm gonna kick my dog like a good hetero should" upset. But it does piss me off when people call me a breeder just because I am not a homosexual. I am not a breeder...but I do not want regulation of my uterus. Neither by someone saying I cannot have an abortion nor by someone saying I cannot have a child. In fact I want absolutely no government influence. I don't want the check and I don't want the regulation.

Again a blanket statement... Don't lump everyone together because of what a few believe Hank. It is not right no matter what your sexual orientation.

Hank I cannot believe that you would want this sort of thing bias and prejudice for anyone. I suppose I overestimated you two. I thought that you were even minded. This is not an us against them situation damnit this is a human situation...I want rights for you and me..you want to regulate my rights and have yours.

Now you know how homosexuals feel...

Can't adopt children (not in my state of Florida, forbidden by the state)
Can't get married (not in my state or country, forbidden by the state)
Called a faggot by people who use that word to demean other human beings.
Just until very recently (by activist judges) am no longer a potential felon (yes felon) for expressing my love with my consenting adult partner.

The majority of americans voted for the Republican agenda: to write into the USA constitution bigotry and hatered against homosexuals.

We also voted in the religions right, who will do everything they can to force their religious beliefs upon us and even you.

We have every right to be upset.

But, her point in this thread was role reversal, to make heterosexuals understand just a taste of what's it's like. It's nothing personal.

So you want me to be as repressed as you instead of us all helping each other? I don't want your rights taken away...but you think it is funny to think about mine being taken away? Listen to what you are saying. That is not me..the person you are talking about is not everywhere American...but you will freely attack me and my rights when I have done nothing in my life but try to protect yours?

It's making a point, not calling for oppression of anyone. Don't take it so seriously. It's just a point.

I don't think it's funny to take away anyone's rights. That's the point.

I take it personal. Why make me feel repressed..sorry but I already do. Do you think you are the only group in america that feels repression...that is passed over... that doesn't get your just rights? Get off the cross sweetie someone else needs the wood. We are all in the same boat here and creating more seperation will not help.

I give up. I understand Neehai sarcasm. She made a point, and it upset a lot of people. I added to the discussion, and it looks like several people are offended. Sorry.

Editing: I'm leaving this thread, it's gone past a simple sarcastic point of role reversal.

For the record, I am not upset. I knew exactly what neehai was doing, I just thought the argument was illogical and not formed very well.

I'm sorry this really put a thorn in my side. Hank I respect your opinions and have always loved reading your posts. You are level headed and fair. Neehai is usually biting but mostly funny. But this is just absurd, the suggestion that heteros are the cause of world strife. I would never say that about homosexuals. I respect you too much. It is obvious that the feeling is not mutual and you lump us all together. So let us just forget all of this and move on. My feelings are not hurt but I am a bit more jaded. Maybe that is a good thing.

Ohh and it moved way beyond sarcasm when the justification started. At first I thought the thread was serious...the sentiment was on target. But when it moved from a hit against the government to a stab at heterosexuals, sorry, but I ended up offended. You would too in a similar situation and I would stand up for you.

Hmm, you don't understand the Hilter reference, perhaps this might help...




LOL, in your OWN WORDS, you propose regulated breeding, and controlling the gene pool. Then in the same post you state:



Gee, wasn't Hilter 'really trying to make everything much nicer'?

How can you not understand the Hitler reference?

Then you go on to state:



As Hilter might have said "Naturally it would be in the best interest of the child not to have Jewish parents"

You also stated:



You mean like the good little Sonnenkinden of the Third Reich?

Your entire manifesto that you have presented here reads like something out of Mein Kampf or one of his speeches on the given destiny of the Aryan race, yet you fail to see the irony?

Also your statement:



Hilter felt that just because the Jews wouldn't accept their role in polluting the earth, that they were any less to blame either.

also:



In 1938 imagine that to read "...there must have been at least 40 Jewish people just openly walking around. It made me want to spit into one of the meat displays.

And yet you don't understand the reference to Hilter?

The mere force of your statements, and the bigoted hatred behind them is VERY reminiscent of Hilter and his credo.

I never claimed all breeders were this way. However, you cannot deny the fact that homosexuals represent the majority of those causing these problems.

I honestly don't know what else to say. This is a very simple issue. Either you are for protecting and caring for children or you aren't. If you aren't I suppose that is your perogative. (to quote Bobby Brown who is a known drug addict heterosexual but still raises a child)

Isis, this isn't about regulating your uterus. You could still apply for a child through the system. If you are approved, a healthy child conceived in a breeding camp would be assigned to your care. It would be practically the same as giving birth yourself. It would naturally need a different name to distinguish it from the criminal act of unregulated live birth but it would be the same in every other aspect.


I don't think I like your tone. Listen, if you heterosexuals were taking care of your own we wouldn't be in this mess. I am just offering solutions to help everyone. Instead of an intellectual discourse on the true benefits of breeding camps, you choose to make this an issue of oppression. Can't we just have a civilized discussion about what is morally right for the children of this country? Honestly, I am alarmed by the reluctance in this thread.

*yawn*

Are you listening to yourself? Do you hear yourself talking about breeding camps and me being given a certificate to raise a child? And I am trying to protect your rights while you try to strip me of mine? You know what Nee on this one I have to say screw you. I would do anything to protect your rights as a human to do whatever is natural for you. But you don't want rights for everyone you just want rights for yourself. If I came online saying that the Homosexuals were the cause of AIDS in the US you would flip your lid. But you are fine saying that all hetero's mistreat there children. And your you are for me or against the children diatribe doesn't float..alright Bushie. Do you not hear the semblance of bush in your argument. I am not going to hold all homosexuals to your standard but you are off your rocker on this one. Choose another battle babe. I don't like your tone, or your logic.

Ohh and don't start the moral gig...the gays lost that one...this is about ethics. Morals are based on myth....ethics on logic.

and it isn't reluctance it is resistance..and you had a wee fraudian slip in your first line...reread and rewrite...

Note: I'm leaving this thread. It's gone past a simple sarcastic example of role reversal, and delved into some insane discussion about breeding camps, homos against heteros, etc.