Kinda feeling bad and lost

Sensual,

I agree with you - in your situation, I do imagine you would actually talk to that person, and not berate and threaten them. As far as the title of your clothing, if you really wanted to push it, that is copyrightable - I don't believe the title of an event is - I could be wrong however. The issue in all of this is the approach. You are right, I do not know how Anshe reacted when spoken to about this, but at its face value, that log is pathetic, and certainly not a simple attempt to get her to change the name.

Cristiano

Edit - actually, I spoke with Anshe. The log above is the complete conversation, and she did not respond at all to the IMs, thus there is nothing from her in the log. That is the entire communication she had with "upset resident".

Here is the language from Haney Linden re: Linden Sponsorship found here at the Event Clanedar:

Learn hot to get support


"All Linden-supported events must be:
-Open and welcoming to all Second Life residents.
-At least half an hour in duration.
-In complete accordance with all Community Standards and Terms of Service.
- Events oriented toward sexual activity/chat are not eligible for support. "


Maybe the Linden's should remove the last item, as it is confusing.

I agree, maybe she did not approach the situation properly, as I stated we do not know what lead to this, for all we know Ashne could have been hostile with her request in a name change, We do not know, but the point of all this remains the same. If you have an event or idea that is similar to someone else, what is so hard of making it slightly unique in it's own way? even if it just a name...
Ashne I support you in hosting events, but as I agree with this "upset resident" the name of your event was fought for and first brought to SL by this person... just change the name...

I don't see it as needed... "pet auction" is so much an accepted name online that its kinda like re-inventing the wheel to name it something else. Almost any social game I've been on, from MUCKs to SL to TSO (shudder) to even some MMORPGs have them, with the exact same name.

Besides, the lindens already shot down the other most obvious name for one.

Seems to me that there is plenty of room for slight variations on a theme.

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SO, what was the problem again? I dont think I understand.

-AP

Ditto!

The problem is that this player was attacked and threatened for hosting an event with a standard, generic name "Upset player" does not own the name pet auction, anymore than someone owns the word bingo or only one person can have an item called slot machines because someone else made a slot machine first. This whole thing is pretty petty. Pet auction is a generic alternate title for slave auctions, which SL will not allow. Anshe has every right to use that title. "Upset player" should have been a bit more creative in the title of their event.

Cristiano

This is a little silly, I'm sure Feliciaa just overreacted a little and was feeling defensive about her 'niche' in SL. I actually told Feliciaa about the pet auction when she was musing about adult events do to at her resort. It's not an original idea, they've had them in one form or another wow... forever! It's a very common and obvious event type to have.

Hopefully there won't be too much drama about all this and everyone can have a good time at the auctions!

well, after reading through this...my most upsetting realization is that this may not actually be an auction for er...ah...traditional pets! Gosh am I naive or what?

"a rose is a rose is a rose"
"a pet auction is a pet auction is a pet auction"

Chant five times and go to bed.

What's ironic is that the idea for Upset Resident's auction was directly ripped from SeduCity (that's an adult link people).

In fact, Upset Resident even had one of the people who runs the SeduCity variety running the first auction in SL. Or helping with it, at least.

If my entire post was read its not that its right to get upset or that the Im's in question were..

But how do you think someone would feel.

Not what it is or the name. I state that they can't copyright it therefore its fairgame.

I had a Idea and Premise copied 90%, I didn't complain or say anything cause well its a free world. Much like other events in SL we are all paying to play.




And as merwan quoted - Events oriented toward sexual activity/chat are not eligible for support. "

Well.. that is just stupid.. and Not abided by currently. As MANY events with this description are announced daily. And therefore I would assume funded. And they should be. I am so tired of the 18+ status of the game being ignored.

I agree Pen.

Lindens should be consistent in the text of their rules, as they are supporting events inWorld that they say they don't support. So just delete the text about no sexual/mature activities being Linden Event supported.

Seems simple enough.

Thanks for all the support and nice words. I am really moved

The IMs I posted is all communication I ever had with her and I did not respond, so there is not context missing. I decided I should better not have any private conversation with her to avoid claims about what I may or may not have said. I will keep posting her IMs here simply because I think it is more objective and fair than if I try to paraphrase them.

Mmmmm, concerning the copy cat thingy: I never attended a slave auction in SL, but several in other worlds. And we used the term "pet" in our Shadowbane guild since the year 2000. It is a quite common PG rated synonym for "slave". But if there is problem with English language being copyright now, maybe I use Chinese for making announcements in the future? Hehehehe

I received some more IMs. She said she is fine with things being on forums, so I post here:



Please, upset resident, don't send me any more IMs. Thank you

I am not one to post anything on the forums that gets even remotely personal...however...

I must respond to this thread because of it's nature and the 'Upset Resident' that it discusses. I understand her problem with the name, however as many have said and we all know, Pet Auctions is a recurring title for all slave auctions in any online world. It's not PC to say 'slave'. If you are going to change the name at all, then just call it "Anshe's Pet Auction at Anshe's Place".



I will defend anyone in the right at anytime...




Edited to delete personal attack.

Anshe you are clearly now trying to cause trouble for the "upset resident" and you may think that there are soooo many people on your side due to the very few people that posted in this forum. Well I am sorry I do not agree with it, and if you can not be reasonable to think of a different name to save the uniqeness of your event, well that is just rather petty IMO.

And from reading your last post, you remind me of one of those kids that do things just to piss people off...
Some Kid -"Mmm I am craving choclate, sure wish I had some"
Ashne pulls out a choclate bar and waves it in Some Kid's face yelling " haha I got choclate, and you don't!"

UGHHHHHHHHHHH Kids!

*Slaps*

aaawww...Sen I have to disagree. I think they posted this cause they log on the find that had been snapped for what they thought was innocent event planning.

BTW, I am claiming dominion over all mature events, I started having them first now they are popping up like wild fire, so if you have a mature event I want royalties.

I first attended a Pet Auction about 15 years ago at an underground Fetish Club in the Los Angeles Area... I was amused to find a Pet Auction in IRC about 7 years ago... enjoyed the Pet Auctions in Excite and in Paltalk, oh yes and also in firetalk in the past few years... and then again in RL at a fetish club in San Francisco last year, I have heard of the Pet Auctions in SL and definately think there is plenty of room for as many people to host them as there are people who want to. I don't think a name change of any sort is really in order....as this isn't anyone in SL's original idea...and it certainly isn't a "new" idea or concept Come one, come all... smile and enjoy

You know, this reminds me a lot of a situation I had with a Yahoo group I own a couple of years ago where I hosted a murder mystery clue hunt. I was a member of another biiig popular Yahoo group which had games of all shapes and sizes but I didn't have mailbox room to receive group mail at the time, so was on no mail. I posted at a few groups that I was going to be hosting a murder mystery clue hunt at my group and anyone that wanted to come and play was welcome to join in.
Well a few days later I popped into her group to find the group owner was was blasting flames at me stating that I stole HER idea (turned out she was hosting a murder mystery game at the same time, and she said I stole her idea) Ummm...okay you can go to murder mystery weekends all over the country, the idea's hardly anyone's copyright. I'd had no idea she was holding a game like this until this hoo-ha all started.
But do you know what I did?
I'm not a confrontational person. I simply posted my side of the story on her forum to even things up a little as they were making my name mud and I felt the need to protect myself. Then I demanded we carry talking in private email since it should have been handled in that way from the start, rather than all over a forum.
In the end - out of respect for her I changed my game, in my case it was not just the name that was in question she actually thought I'd copied the whole idea. Which I hadn't, but by stepping down I came out looking the bigger person in the whole thing and she had to post a lengthy apology to me on her forum as it all made her look pretty stupid.

Not trying to suggest that you do that and there were lots of people that thought I should have stuck to my guns and carried on anyway. But I just didn't need to have a whole load of enemies and wanted to clear things out with both sides. I think the best bet would be to think of an alternative name for your event and then save yourself the argument.

Larissa

Let's all try and remember that Anshe was acting entirely in good faith and has done nothing wrong. In addition she is being a guiding light in providing interesting events at times when us Euros can attend without incurring SLag, which is like Jet Lag but.. addictive.

Yay Anshe!

It is interesting how she backtracked on her tone after having her actions exposed. "Oh I was just trying to get you to change the name". Please. The only support she has in this is from her alt accounts and the same group of people who support the same bad behavior over and over again. Just mute her and be done with it, and go on with your auction.

Cristiano

It's interesting that you label Anshe's actions as petty, but not "upset resident". "Upset resident" used a generic name for her event, and instead of approaching Anshe and being semi-human, she just went off on her with stupid rhetoric about cutting her down in the forums and how big and bad she is. Yeah, Anshe is really the petty one here I am sure Anshe would have altered the name if asked directly, but having been threatened, that is something different. I don't blame her one bit for not changing the name. I would not do a single thing to help someone who comes out threatening me.

Cristiano

This is just one of those things that's so ridiculous I can't believe it's spawned 4 pages...

....of course, now I've helped add another to it, and that's pretty stupid in and of itself.

But honestly...."owning" an event? Especially a "pet auction" ???

COME ON!!!! THINK!

this kind of thing is exactly WHY groups like the SA goons pretty much roundly make fun of everything done in SL. It's not just furries...it's other utterly silly crap like this situation.

Ok I have had just about enough of this, I really wasn't going to respond to this insane ridiculous forum thread, however I am drawn to do it because of a very close friend who decided to add something to it.

I have only gotten mad 2 times while here in Sl, The first time was, what Higzzz was talkin about and that came after a bashing of me in a chat log I have from someone he is here with. So yes I lashed back and Hig's saw that, but he didn't see what was said or done to me, to make me say certian things. Yes I, like everyone else has a button and we all make mistakes. Everyone that knows me here in SL and other worlds, knows me to be a very generous, loving person for the most part.

The second time I got really upset was when the day after I announce the coming back of the "Pet Auction" in SL (Which I might add I had to fight to get it on the events as it was.) Not Supported of Course. Then I see on the events that Anshe posted one to, It was almost as if she was the first to think of it. Like she Copy Pasted it from mine. So yes I freaked and got mad, but see what she isn't telling you all... is that after I sent her that IM, I went out to eat thought about it, and knew I was wrong. So when I got back I im'd Anshe again and apologized for being so mean, and just simply said it just shocked me to see it there, I told her that she could have made it something a little different. I thought it was all done however I didn't get a response from her.

Did I feel bad for lashing at her in the first IM? Yes Which is why I havn't responded to this, and why I apoligized to her. But see she wants everyone to feel sorry so she doesnt post the apoligy, she starts a bashing of Feliciaa Thread. Oh and of course Cristiano can't wait to jump in, because as you all know he hates BJ and he knows I back him up. So yes Cristiano bash me some more for my association with BJ.

Higzzz how could you, you have known me for along time and for the most part you know I am a good person and someone really has to do something to me to get me upset. You know I did'nt give you the log of the bashing of me in the instance you are refering too because I wanted it dropped. You know I was bashed first and if you want proof I can dredge it up and send it to you if you wish.

As for Anshe why don't you post the apoligy I sent to you the same night. Oh no you decide to bash me instead, hrm wonder what kind of person that makes you. At least I admit when I'm wrong. Yes People yes I was wrong for my first Im to her, yes I know there are going to be more pet auctions because it was a good idea, yes I know all this. Which is why I came straight home and Apoligized to her imediatly.

The only reason I didn't respond before this was because I know Cris is just waiting to bash me some more. But now a friend that I consider close to me has responded and now I feel I should send him the chat log that totally trashed me from someone I was dating (his friend). The whole reason for him saying he has seen me this way before, what am I not allowed to defend myself?? That just wrong, Higzzz you only saw what i said to him you didn't see the things he was saying to me. You know I am a good person.

Cris, leave me alone and try not to bash me too much for your hatred for BJ is seeping thru to me, and that's not fair.

People for the record I was wrong in my first Im to Anshe and I thought I corrected it that night. However she wishes to start shit instead so be it. The People who know me, know that I am not like that and love me. True friends.. Hoping this finalizes the poor Anshe problem. By the way people remember that chat logs can be edited so never trust them.
Like the second one she sent lol okay.

Hugzzz as always to the end...
Feliciaa Feaver

P.S. Did you guys have fun at my expense, please move on to another this is old, especially when it was over that night in an apology that you all never got to see. Again one sided.
tsk tsk.

I see absouletly nothing wrong in posting a 'private' im in the forums if you were part of it, or it was sent to you. It most states it is legal to use recorded conversations as long as one individual involved was awrae it was being recorded.