<LLPATH>but....you didn't hear that from me (say no more)

I'm pretty sure thats ok.

Linden Lab can say 'don't post chat logs of things that happen on our service'.

They can't really say, or in any way police, stuff that happens outside SL, even if it gets distributed in SL.

I think that's pretty much how everyone else interprets it, judging by the fact it happens a lot

I think the only time they would come down on you for it is if the chat also included something that otherwise broke the ToS, like revealing real life info about someone.

And I knew this was going to happen the second I saw this conversation. In my opinion, Pathfinder shouldn't be discussing about residents like this with the select few on IRC and of course he was going to get pulled up on it. If a Linden has something to say, he should say it to all of us. Not just the FIrC techi wikkis

It's bedtime, so I am not going to go search now, but it was done, my warning was issued in public, and a few days later Prokofy, Pathfinder, and others were discussing the severity of it. Pathfinder even stated that he wished he had disciplined me further. Obviously, Prokofy was lobbying for it to be more severe, again, right out here in the open, and he even got Pathfinder's response and involvement. Apparently, Moopf remembers too.

My point being, nobody ran to the center of town and started ringing the bells then, so does something discussed on IRC that didn't even take place equate to having it discussed here, out in the open? It was humiliating; but you know what? I deserved it, and I learned that I cannot, nor should not, ever do that again.

Well, I think no one ran to the bells because they didn't really talk about you directly.

Also, as I remember I think you started the conversation rolling with a post of your own.

/120/24/42690/1.html

Did I ever tell you I REALLY like waffles?

Later in the thread he discusses this. In hindsight, you're probably right, not a great idea to talk about it publically, but he doesn't talk about you specifically or even indirectly.

Oh for Pete's sake blaze, That was an apology, not an inviation to discuss my punishment. What a lame ass attempt. It is also not the only thread in which this was discussed.

I WAS talked about, wake up man. You think people were discussing Frosty the Snowman in that thread?

GOOD NITE!

Nolan took his lumps like a man and apologized. Rather than accept, Prok continued his campaign of lies, further accusing Nolan of things that simply never happened.

Now you come into the forums again with your usual garden variety of hooey. Always the victim blaze, never accountable or responsible for your own actions.

Weedy, your thoughts and opinions are appreciated however I'd like to address the fact that a Linden was gossiping (yes, I feel that is an appropiate term) about another resident on IRC.

Nolan has made the case that they chatted about him as well (I don't see that anywhere, and I did do a search!). However, even if that were true (I don't think it is) that doesn't make what Pathfinder did right. It just means that we overlooked what he did to Nolan, unfairly.

Any more thoughts or opinions specifically related to the subject of a Linden discussing SL users on IRC would be welcomed, however please constrain your comments to that and please keep them polite.

If I kiss you, will you shut up?



Just asking!!!

ahahah ok i'll shut up

I'm pretty sure thats how it went down in the bunker between Eva and Adolf while he was making his last rant about why the war was lost. Oh yeah. Then he blew both their brains out.

What? I'm just saying.

OMG

Blaze are you saying you DON''T want to kiss me *gasp*

That's a WHOLE NEW THREAD... dun dun DUN.

Kris SHUSH, you are giving away the plot here..

actually, i'm just thinking of what else I can get for my next thread!

I have a headline for you

*WILLOW Z RUNS OFF WITH BLAZE S - WHAT ON EARTH NEXT*

Excuse me, everybody. Can we agree that everybody, Prokofy and Pathfinder and you and me included, are skirting the boundaries now?

It's the End of the World as We Know It....

Just goes to show, you act like a big enough ass, sure enough the folks whose living room you're shitting in are going to eventually think... you're an ass.

Wow. Big Shock! Call the press! Lindens are REAL PEOPLE, TOO!

~yawn~

You keep assuming it's really Path. Do you have any proof? As far as I know, the unofficial IRC forum does not verify identities, does it? I could login to IRC today as Prokofy and begin posting. that doesn't mean anything.

The greater question: has anyone confirmed or denied the log?

I asked this on the other thread Ardith, noone has replied as of yet.

i think it can safely be assumed it was pathfinder. certainly it would appear that everyone who was talking to this individual believed it was pathfinder. if it *wasnt* pathfinder, then a lot of people have been duped then, prior to that, and continue to be duped, including other lindens

(unless all the other lindens on irc are imposters too. but then hell, all the other people on there might be imposters. who knows?! )

Sounds fun. A Linden masquerade!

Now we come to the other part of blake's complaint: what portion of LL's privacy policy has been broken?

Well, hell, this is just moronic.

Hey, look what I found in a top-secret dossier on blaze (received from the FIC folder):

-----------
<blaze> Every morning before breakfast I go down to the local orphanage and punch a baby in the face.
<prok> lol
<blaze> then before lunch I go to the local humane society and flip off a box of kittens before tossing each one into traffic
<prok> roflmao
--------------

Remember, kids, if it has IRC brackets around it, IT MUST BE TRUE.

LF

My 2 cents, for what its worth, after reading the chat log:

1. IF that is Pathfinder - then he probably should have shown more restraint. My company has clients that are in direct competition with each other. I don't disparage or discuss one client with another. That would make me look like I'm still in junior high...its not professional.

If Path wanted to blow off steam about Prok, then he should have kept it within the company he represents and not added more fuel to the fire.

It makes me sad, because Path fell victim to what he freely admits in the log is Prok's ulterior motive - skirting the TOS but goading others into violating it. While Path may or may not have violated the TOS, he did conduct himself in a manner unbefitting of a LL employee...score one point for Prok.

2. I do believe Prok's suspension was long overdue and fully justified. Unfortunately I'm getting the feeling the aftereffects of his presence will be felt long after his (and others) final ban from the forums...score another point for Prok.

I have a lot - TONS - of sympathy for Pathfinder/Jeska/et. al. Forum moderation is hard and thankless. They are only human. Its human to want to discuss with people things that frustrate you. Unfortunately, it can really, severely backfire in terms of how you reflect upon the company you represent.


EDIT: I put the word "IF" in caps...as Newfie stated, there isn't any clarification that it really is Pathfinder, and I'm not in a position to judge its validity.

I also should state that I would personally find less of an issue with the discussion in question if "Pathfinders" comments were only the "restrain yourselves, kids" comments at the beginning of the log. As the discussion went on, it veered off into something I would feel uncomfortable having an employee of mine reiterating with other clients. Again, only my 2 cents, and I still think Pathfinder is great at a thankless job.

Wow. Pathfinder didn't say *one* ill word about Prok, unless I was mistaken. IRC exploded into some Prokofy conversation and he was simply telling people why he Prok could not be banned. He told the people in the chat to not let Prok incite them to do something stupid.

If *you* had to make forum administration decisions with deciding if Prokofy should be banned or not, YOU'D be tired and give *sighs* too.

Imagine that! Lindens are people too! People who have judgements about others! The mIRC channel is open ground for discussion about anyone, in my honest opinion, about anyone.

Oh, and LF's posting of the chatlog with the kittens and stuff completely dishonors anything you've (blaze) said in this thread. As LF said, "If you said it, It must be true!".

I've talked about Prok outside the forums too! OMGWTFBBQ!!!!

NOTECARD IT!!!!! PASTE IT HERE!!!!!

Let's see....we're presented with:

1. From a net with *no* identity confirmation
   
2. From a net with *no* nickname registration/protection
   
3. In a channel that routinely has Linden employee impersonators
   
4. A snippet of a log that's is next to trivial to forge and impossible to confirm/refute
   

And we're supposed to take at face value this conversation snippet, and drag Pathfinder's reputation through the mud? Under circumstances that are dubious at best, downright contrived at worst?

Seems to be this type of posting is so far over the line that even the players wearing the tin-foil hats are saying 'stay away from us dude, you're too paranoid.'

- Newfie