Gee, who else are you gossiping about on IRC, Pathfinder?
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blaze Spinnaker
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05-18-2005 01:48
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Willow Zander
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05-18-2005 01:49
OMG Blaze
Did you NEED to do this, make an entire new thread just to stir up some drama. Damn it your gunna stop me being cute soon...  I will state my point here. I want PROOF it was actually Pathfinder, before you all start slinging more mud WHEN WILL YOU PPL LEARN TWO WRONGS DON'T MAKE A FREAKING RIGHT!!!!! _____________________
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Hiro Pendragon
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05-18-2005 01:54
OMG Blaze Did you NEED to do this, make an entire new thread just to stir up some drama. Damn it your gunna stop me being cute soon... I will state my point here. I want PROOF it was actually Pathfinder, before you all start slinging more mud WHEN WILL YOU PPL LEARN TWO WRONGS DON'T MAKE A FREAKING RIGHT!!!!! I second Willow's notion. Blaze, you need to learn that one post on a topic is enough drama. _____________________
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Oz Spade
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05-18-2005 01:54
I claim this thread in the name of Pecan Pie and summon Pandastrong with a Level 8 crazy ass sword of some type that can also function as a peace pipe.
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blaze Spinnaker
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05-18-2005 01:56
Oz, Hiro and Willow - I thank you for your comments.
Please note, I would appreciate it if you kept this on topic (Linden members going onto IRC and talking about SL users) and avoid any insults, offensive language, or hijacking of the thread. _____________________
Taken from The last paragraph on pg. 16 of Cory Ondrejka's paper "Changing Realities: User Creation, Communication, and Innovation in Digital Worlds :
"User-created content takes the idea of leveraging player opinions a step further by allowing them to effectively prototype new ideas and features. Developers can then measure which new concepts most improve the products and incorporate them into the game in future patches." |
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Nolan Nash
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05-18-2005 01:57
Gee, who else are you gossiping about on IRC, Pathfinder? http://www.sluniverse.com/forums/Topic5145-18-1.aspx Good thing you're able to rise above like you preach at everyone else all the time. This thread is spam, and being reported as such. _____________________
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Willow Zander
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05-18-2005 01:58
Oz, Hiro and Willow - I thank you for your comments. Please note, I would appreciate it if you kept this on topic (Linden members going onto IRC and talking about SL users) and avoid any insults, offensive language, or hijacking of the thread. Please note, I would appreciate it, if you gave us a topic to keep to that wasn't completely brought up to cause drama.  _____________________
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Hiro Pendragon
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05-18-2005 02:00
Oz, Hiro and Willow - I thank you for your comments. Please note, I would appreciate it if you kept this on topic (Linden members going onto IRC and talking about SL users) and avoid any insults, offensive language, or hijacking of the thread. I've reported this thread as violating the forum policies for reposting an already existing topic. Please cease and desist discussing it in this thread. _____________________
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blaze Spinnaker
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05-18-2005 02:01
Nolan -
I think spam is generally excessive commercial advertising. I'm merely showing a concern here about LindenLab employees breaking their Privacy Policy. Willow - One persons drama is another persons concern about very clear agreements on what they keep confidential. Further comments are welcomed. I'd appreciate it if they kept on subject (the issue of LL employee discussing confidential issues on IRC) and did not engage in offensive language or topic hijacking. Thanks! _____________________
Taken from The last paragraph on pg. 16 of Cory Ondrejka's paper "Changing Realities: User Creation, Communication, and Innovation in Digital Worlds :
"User-created content takes the idea of leveraging player opinions a step further by allowing them to effectively prototype new ideas and features. Developers can then measure which new concepts most improve the products and incorporate them into the game in future patches." |
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Kris Ritter
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05-18-2005 02:02
I'm amazed it took so long. this conversation happened days ago and has been circulating SL on notecards since. You guys are slow with your drama.
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Willow Zander
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05-18-2005 02:03
Willow - One persons drama is another persons concern about very clear agreements on what they keep confidential. Further comments are welcomed. I'd appreciate it if they kept on subject (the issue of LL employee discussing confidential issues on IRC) and did not engage in offensive language or topic hijacking. Thanks! Yes dear, I understand your point, but there is a whole other thread about this, why start a new one? It wasn't necessary AT all, and you full well know that this thread is going to get locked, because it targets an individual. (bet i'm not cute now huh  )_____________________
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blaze Spinnaker
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05-18-2005 02:03
I've reported this thread as violating the forum policies for reposting an already existing topic One thread is about witch hunts, and this one is about a Linden Lab employee breaking LL privacy policy. Thanks for your input, Hiro. _____________________
Taken from The last paragraph on pg. 16 of Cory Ondrejka's paper "Changing Realities: User Creation, Communication, and Innovation in Digital Worlds :
"User-created content takes the idea of leveraging player opinions a step further by allowing them to effectively prototype new ideas and features. Developers can then measure which new concepts most improve the products and incorporate them into the game in future patches." |
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blaze Spinnaker
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05-18-2005 02:04
Heh heh willow I'm afraid you're even more cute when you're not being cute!
Very few people can pull that trick, but it's one that keeps us all from spiralling into too much seriousness. Thanks  _____________________
Taken from The last paragraph on pg. 16 of Cory Ondrejka's paper "Changing Realities: User Creation, Communication, and Innovation in Digital Worlds :
"User-created content takes the idea of leveraging player opinions a step further by allowing them to effectively prototype new ideas and features. Developers can then measure which new concepts most improve the products and incorporate them into the game in future patches." |
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Willow Zander
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05-18-2005 02:05
It has come to my attention that Pathfinder was in chat on the IRC channel (whatever that is, and wherever it is), with a bunch of players who were on, including a number who wish to see Prokofy Neva banned from the forums. For those who would like to read the transcript, it's posted on SL Universe, at: www.sluniverse.com/forums/Topic5145-18-1.aspx ...... Gee, who else are you gossiping about on IRC, Pathfinder? http://www.sluniverse.com/forums/Topic5145-18-1.aspx Looks like the same topic to me Blazey poos, if you need something to keep you busy, I have some nakey pics  _____________________
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Oz Spade
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05-18-2005 02:06
I'm amazed it took so long. this conversation happened days ago and has been circulating SL on notecards since. You guys are slow with your drama. Guess it took awhile to get to the "right" hands. Side Note: The notecards are against the TOS since chat logs are not permitted within SL or the forums without permission from the concerned party. Despite the posts below the Pie, PIE STILL HOLDS THIS THREAD! *exits pie* _____________________
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Huns Valen
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05-18-2005 02:07
QUICK!!! LET'S THROW CRAP AT EACH OTHER
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Hiro Pendragon
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05-18-2005 02:07
One thread is about witch hunts, and this one is about a Linden Lab employee breaking LL privacy policy. Thanks for your input, Hiro. Please don't be a wiseass, blaze. You know very well the threads are about the same issue. Otherwise, you wouldn't have posted the old thread in the new one and added no new comments that hadn't been expressed. Both threads are about a conversation that happened in IRC. Don't make me pull out the Willy Wonka picture again. _____________________
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Nolan Nash
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05-18-2005 02:07
Nolan - I think spam is generally excessive commercial advertising. I'm merely showing a concern here about LindenLab employees breaking their Privacy Policy. Willow - One persons drama is another persons concern about very clear agreements on what they keep confidential. Further comments are welcomed. I'd appreciate it if they kept on subject (the issue of LL employee discussing confidential issues on IRC) and did not engage in offensive language or topic hijacking. Thanks! Spam is repetitive messsages. What those messages bear doesn't matter. But have fun with your sulk-fest. _____________________
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Maxx Monde
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05-18-2005 02:21
Gee, who else are you gossiping about on IRC, Pathfinder? http://www.sluniverse.com/forums/Topic5145-18-1.aspx Remember everyone, plaintext is UNCOPYABLE and can't be ALTERED. It also is PGP-SIGNED and affords SECURE and TAMPERPROOF delivery mechanisms. *rolls eyes* Don't bother responding Blazokofy Spinneva, your latest trollscapade earned you a personal ignore. |
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Kris Ritter
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05-18-2005 02:22
Side Note: The notecards are against the TOS since chat logs are not permitted within SL or the forums without permission from the concerned party. Are you positive about that? Afaik, Second Life chat logs - things that are said inside second life, yes. Totally. This was said on IRC. I don't think, therefore, that it's covered. Why shouldn't someone pass information said on a public medium outside SL on a notecard in SL? It's no different to pointing someone to a thread on a 3rd party website, like has been done in this thread. |
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Willow Zander
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05-18-2005 02:22
Are you positive about that? Afaik, Second Life chat logs - things that are said inside second life, yes. Totally. This was said on IRC. I don't think, therefore, that it's covered. Why shouldn't someone pass information said on a public medium outside SL on a notecard in SL? It's no different to pointing someone to a thread on a 3rd party website, like has been done in this thread. TROLL You sensible thinking has no place here, begone...  _____________________
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blaze Spinnaker
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05-18-2005 02:23
Nolan, it's not a sulk fest.
I have the same honest desire that PathFinder has, that people in these forums discuss issues surrounding SL in an interesting and thoughtful way. People who disagree without being disagreeable. I do, however, strongly disagree with his tactics. He goes onto IRC with a very tiny subset of SL filled with all the usual suspects and starts chatting away about another SL resident? He's simply confirming all my worst opinions about this community. I'm trying to highlight how completely ludicrous this method is. Gossiping on IRC is not proper forum moderation! The alternative and real solution is simple - if you see one poster being insulting or offensive or hijacking a thread, you send a warning. Three warnings and they get a ban, over and out. After a few examples are made (and you carefully dole it out on anyone who is offensive, even the most popular of the 'fic'), people will get the hint and you won't have to moderate as heavily. This tactic has been used extensively in all of the most established forums all over the web. Unfortunately, for whatever reason the forum mods here refuse to do that. They simply wait until some critical mass arises and address it by.. yes... jumping on IRC and gossiping about it. I can think of absolutely no other proper term to use! _____________________
Taken from The last paragraph on pg. 16 of Cory Ondrejka's paper "Changing Realities: User Creation, Communication, and Innovation in Digital Worlds :
"User-created content takes the idea of leveraging player opinions a step further by allowing them to effectively prototype new ideas and features. Developers can then measure which new concepts most improve the products and incorporate them into the game in future patches." |
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Oz Spade
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05-18-2005 02:26
Are you positive about that? Afaik, Second Life chat logs - things that are said inside second life, yes. Totally. This was said on IRC. I don't think, therefore, that it's covered. Why shouldn't someone pass information said on a public medium outside SL on a notecard in SL? It's no different to pointing someone to a thread on a 3rd party website, like has been done in this thread. Well, what if I took a chat log of a yahoo IM conversation of someone telling me personel information and distributed it through SL? Kinda the same thing. Breaking the rules by proxy. I dunno, I'm only guessing at this really. I personaly would feel its a TOS violation and report it. But thats me. And I'm too tired/lazy to go looking through the TOS to see if it has anything that could be used to clarify this. You do make a good point though and I wish I had the answer! _____________________
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Nolan Nash
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05-18-2005 02:28
Nolan, it's not a sulk fest. I have the same honest desire that PathFinder has, that people in these forums discuss issues surrounding SL in an interesting and thoughtful way. People who disagree without being disagreeable. I do, however, strongly disagree with his tactics. I mean, come on - what is he trying to do? Sell FIC tshirts or something? He's simply confirming all my worst opinions about this community. He goes onto a tiny subset of SL filled with all the usual suspects and starts chatting away about another SL resident? I'm trying to highlight how completely ludicrous this method is. Gossiping on IRC is not proper forum moderation! The solution is simple - if you see one poster being insulting or offensive to another, you send a warning. Three warnings and they get a ban, over and out. After a few examples are made (and you carefully dole it out on anyone who is offensive, even the most popular of the 'fic'), people will get the hint and you won't have to moderate as heavily. This tactic has been used extensively in all of the most established forums all over the web. Unfortunately, for whatever reason the forum mods here refuse to do that. They simply wait until some critical mass arises and address it by.. yes... jumping on IRC and gossiping about it. I can think of absolutely no other proper term to use! Gossiping on irc is NOT forum moderation. My punishment was mulled over repeatedly by the community and LL on these forums. None of you that are all up in arms over a NON FORUMS event were crying out on my behalf then. You didn't hear me crying either once I did some deep thinking and realized I was wrong, and needed to accept whatever discipline I was dealt as a result. I still stand by my statement that you and Coco are orchestrating a sulk fest, probably intended to draw attention away from the fact that Prokofy did several ToS violating things, especially within the past few days. Everyone has their limit, including LL. It's also important to remember that they are not automatons, they are human beings just like the rest of us. Pathfinder was clearly trying to HELP the community with his statements. Clearly, and after this, I can all but guarantee he won't be doing it again. So call for his head, his job if you must, but like I said, I am sure Pathfinder has learned that the stove is hot. _____________________
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blaze Spinnaker
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05-18-2005 02:31
Honestly, I can't recall any Linden's talking about you? I think they clarified the TOS a bit, but I don't think they talked about you, or how illogical you are, or name you by name, etc etc.
Not that you are illogical. I'm comparing to the gossiping about Prokofy in the IRC chat logs. Do you have a link or a quote? _____________________
Taken from The last paragraph on pg. 16 of Cory Ondrejka's paper "Changing Realities: User Creation, Communication, and Innovation in Digital Worlds :
"User-created content takes the idea of leveraging player opinions a step further by allowing them to effectively prototype new ideas and features. Developers can then measure which new concepts most improve the products and incorporate them into the game in future patches." |