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How To Deal With A Neg Rating

Shadow Weaver
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11-04-2004 10:48
No Miss Cotten this is not about the past this is about the Hipocrisy that this thread you have started represents.

The "How to deal with a negative Rating" Thread.

I was posting the aforementioned information in reference to how ludcris this whole thread is.

Basically the pot calling the kettle black.

I have a grand total of 10 negative ratings.

4 in behavior
3 in appearance
3 in building

All of which are easly accountable for 1 from an unknown alternate named God Mysterio that arbitrarly neg rated several people.

1 in each catagory from 1 person that was done out of emotional distress and they left the world to never return.

and 2 in each catagory from you and your alternate account over the aforementioned situation.

But the point here is not about the past but the charature of your actions in posting this little contradiction in charature.

So I simple ask the same questions you asked the populace.

Did I build somthing that offended you?
Does my Clothes offend you?
I know my behavior offends you but thats a given considering past tactics on your behalf.

Let me clarify one thing here. I have never negative rated you. Nor will I.

As far as the public apology on the SL Forums it was not addressed to me as an individual like the previous attacks were.

If the "Apology" was sincere all connotation and negative effects of that confrontation would have been removed and as of today, not the past, they were not.

Thus my questioning here in light of the hipocrital post that you have started.

By the way you still never answered my question thus my re-request.

Are you going to remove the negative ratings that do not apply to the previous situation or are you going to give me an explination as to why they remain? <<<This is the question I am refering to and will continue to ask until I am no longer side stepped with vieled answers.

Remember your statment.
From: someone
Its OK to disagree with me neg rating something you built but is it really necessary to neg rate my appearance? Or my Building? Its wrong to do so as it was just an opinion.

and how did my Appearance and my building abilitys come into play to be negative Rated?

Either way it's a benifit to you.

Why is it a benifit? It will add credibility to your post through answering either way.

The benifit to me is closure and confirmation that the apology was sincere and not a vielded attempt to regain credibility in the SL community by appeasing the masses.
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Shadow Weaver
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11-04-2004 10:53
From: someone
Sounds good to me Khamon ppl neg rate as a way to get back at each other they use it for vengence and they gang up on ppl and neg rate them. Its sad and un necessary.

Ppl also go to clubs and triple rate positive without ever seeing a build that anyone they rated has.

Yes the system is broken. Now what would be a good new system?

Cat

PS there is NO way to tell where your neg rates came from.
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Actually yes there way to see its called IM to email and it was effective until they changed the negative ratings to where you couldnt tell.

Since that time I have recieve no further ratings of negativity.

Shadow
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Rose Karuna
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11-04-2004 10:58
Catherine you did not mention why you neg rated someones building, whether it was personally offensive, politically offensive or just plain ugly.

However, I just want to note that not long ago I watched a newbie put up about one of the ugliest buildings I think I've ever seen in SL. I watched them struggle with it for days.

After they were done, I went over and pos rated it and left a message saying that I'd thought they did a great job and left them some trees & stuff for their yard. This was not insincere as even though the building was ugly - the effort was beautiful.

This person became very encouraged and today (one month later) - they really do have a beautiful build. My point is that sometimes we need to be careful about our comments on people's creations. Some of the stuff I built when I first started in SL was God Awful but a few people told me I was doing well and encouraged me to do better.

I would have been so hurt and discouraged as a newbie if someone had neg rated a creation that I spent days on like my first house.

Just a thought.
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Juro Kothari
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11-04-2004 11:04
From: Catherine Cotton
Juro no i suppose its not wrong. they are working within the current system. I think I will abstain from any ratings from now on. :) the current system seems to be somewhat of a joke, so why bother.

Cath



Don't do that Cat. Continue to use the rating system as you see fit, but just realize that how some people use the system is not how you would.
Catherine Cotton
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11-04-2004 11:09
From: Rose Karuna
Catherine you did not mention why you neg rated someones building, whether it was personally offensive, politically offensive or just plain ugly.

However, I just want to note that not long ago I watched a newbie put up about one of the ugliest buildings I think I've ever seen in SL. I watched them struggle with it for days.

After they were done, I went over and pos rated it and left a message saying that I'd thought they did a great job and left them some trees & stuff for their yard. This was not insincere as even though the building was ugly - the effort was beautiful.

This person became very encouraged and today (one month later) - they really do have a beautiful build. My point is that sometimes we need to be careful about our comments on people's creations. Some of the stuff I built when I first started in SL was God Awful but a few people told me I was doing well and encouraged me to do better.

I would have been so hurt and discouraged as a newbie if someone had neg rated a creation that I spent days on like my first house.

Just a thought.


Rose its usualy a big flashing box takes about 10sec to make lol
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Catherine Cotton
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11-04-2004 11:10
From: Shadow Weaver
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Actually yes there way to see its called IM to email and it was effective until they changed the negative ratings to where you couldnt tell.

Since that time I have recieve no further ratings of negativity.

Shadow



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Pendari Lorentz
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11-04-2004 11:19
From: Catherine Cotton
Thats if your offline correct? I wouldn't have all my im's go to email that would be a pain in the butt LOL


Catherine, are you trying to say that you already did remove the neg ratings? If not, I know you don't want this to get into a fight on the forums again, and skirting the issue is not going to help. However if you do not want to respond to Shadow's question, you may just want to say that and then ignore further posts. And Shadow, if Catherine doesn't want to give you her answer, then I would not try further. While I do think the point you brought up Shadow was very valid, I know that you and Catherine both are working to take and keep negativity out of your SL lives. But when the two of you butt heads, it is just going to get you both flustered. I honestly never expect to see the two of you be able to have a civil conversation *together* from start to finish. Thus far the responses from each of you have been civil, you may just want to stop now before it gets heated.

And I say this out of wanting to help you both in keeping as much negativity out of your SL world. I would advise you two avoid each other completly if I had any right to suggest such a thing.

*hugs*
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Zuzi Martinez
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11-04-2004 11:19
can someone please rate me negative? i need it for my tuff ass image. :D
Shadow Weaver
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11-04-2004 11:22
From: someone
Thats if your offline correct? I wouldn't have all my im's go to email that would be a pain in the butt LOL


No comment on that statment. But you still haven't answered my question which is relevant to your initial thread.

I will stay on topic and debate or discuss diplomaticaly. However, you're side stepping the relevant question that would add credibility to your conjecture.

Shadow
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Jeska Linden
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11-04-2004 11:31
While there is some productive conversation in this thread, I just wanted to remind everyone that the forums are not the proper place to air personal attacks against one another - please refrain from personally attacking someone you don't agree with in the forums. If the personal discussion continues I will close the thread.

If you must discuss further your personal grievances with another resident, please utilize the more appropriate methods, such as private messages on the forum or instant messages or chat inworld.

Thanks.
Catherine Cotton
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11-04-2004 11:33
Jeska;

Thank you! Thank you! Thank you!

Cat
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Moopf Murray
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11-04-2004 11:35
From: Catherine Cotton
Shadow for the love of god get over it.


No Catherine, answer the question - have you or haven't you? It's pretty straight forward really and has great bearing on this thread's contents.
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11-04-2004 11:36
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MrsJakal Suavage
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11-04-2004 11:38
I found this when I googled SL.....

http://sl.sdfjkl.org/userdata/rating_neg.spy

Don't know who did this, but its quite interesting since seeing this thread.
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Catherine Cotton
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11-04-2004 11:38
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Moopf Murray
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11-04-2004 11:40
From: Catherine Cotton
I neg rated shadow, I apologized, he did not accept. my neg rate to shadow was for his continued behavior, and as I read this forum that will stand. OK


So you're neg rating in all categories for behaviour in this case then, after all it was more than 1 wasn't it? Just so long as it's clear how this differs exactly from the negs you got to today... :rolleyes:
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Tiger Crossing
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11-04-2004 11:41
I see a negative rating as a call to "change your ways". But when I have cause to neg rate someone, I refrain. I refrain because people resist being forced to change. It's just human nature. No one likes to be told that they are "doing it all wrong".

If I assign a negative rating, I fully expect the person to 1) neg rate me in the behavior category for neg rating them, since they don't really deserve it, as a tit-for-tat response, and 2) neg rate me in the other two categories as a pain-and-suffering fee.

Most people don't think they are doing anything wrong. Yes, there are those that are TRYING to be "bad" (for attention or just to "see what happens";), but they don't care if you neg rate them and don't care if they rate you back unfairly. The rest of the people in our virtual world tend to be surprised when they receive a negative rating.

"You don't like my building? I'm only JUST learning how to build! It's not fair to taint my permanent record just because you don't like plywood. Sure the particles and stuff are a bit garish, but what's wrong with that? It's not hurting anyone. How mean of you to negative rate me like that! I should do something about that. Well... You just reminded me that we can negative rate people, I think I'll do that to you. See how YOU like undeserved negatives!"

Not spoken out loud, but thoughts along those lines are likely.

I'm not in-world at the moment, so I can't be sure that I've never neg rated anyone. Odds are if I did, it was by accident. I've received some, mostly annonymously. The last I knew about was from a new tenant in my apartment building that was livid that he was limited to only 45 prims. He felt the free apartment, it seems, should allow him to use as many as he wanted (which was several hundred when I came across him). On informing him of the rules, he yelled, swore, and tripple-negged me. I did not rate him back. He did not do anything wrong... He just wasn't a very balanced person.

I don't think my L$3 of -1's would make him "change his ways"...
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Pendari Lorentz
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11-04-2004 11:47
From: Catherine Cotton
Shadow and Pendari;

Please stay on topic. Your continuing to bring up old news does nothing for this current thread.

Thanks

Catherine



And thank you for taking the time to read my post Catherine.

/sarcasm off
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Catherine Cotton
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11-04-2004 11:51
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11-04-2004 11:54
Tiger;

Very well put, and something to seriously think about, thank you :)

Cat
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Cristiano Midnight
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11-04-2004 11:56
From: Catherine Cotton
Shadow and Pendari;

Please stay on topic. Your continuing to bring up old news does nothing for this current thread.

Thanks

Catherine


Catherine,

Pendari was very much on topic - she was offering both of you advice to not go down the path of openly feuding in a thread again since it is inevitable if you continue the back and forth, just as BigJohn and I end up getting threads locked all the time. Don't shoot the messenger because you are annoyed with Shadow. Reread her post. It is good advice, and advice I wish I followed sometimes myself, as no good can come of an argument neither of you can ever "win".
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11-04-2004 11:56
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Shadow Weaver
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11-04-2004 11:59
Thank you for answering Catherine, I will now wear those 6 Neg ratings with pride as I know why they are there.

Have a good day and as to my word I will only respond to things of relevance.

Oh and I will continue to maintain "NOT" negative rating you as considering your response that is your opinion and I will abide by it even though intelectually I disagree with it.

Catherines Credibility +2 now in my book.

Sincerely, Shadow
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Catherine Cotton
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11-04-2004 12:00
From: Cristiano Midnight
Catherine,

Pendari was very much on topic - she was offering both of you advice to not go down the path of openly feuding in a thread again since it is inevitable if you continue the back and forth, just as BigJohn and I end up getting threads locked all the time. Don't shoot the messenger because you are annoyed with Shadow. Reread her post. It is good advice, and advice I wish I followed sometimes myself, as no good can come of an argument neither of you can ever "win".



Cristiano;

I do not wish to re hash the history of shadow and myself. Please re read Jeska Linden's post.

Cat
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11-04-2004 12:03
From: Catherine Cotton
Cristiano;

I do not wish to re hash the history of shadow and myself. Please re read Jeska Linden's post.

Cat


Catherine,

Um, that is why I was saying it best to drop it and just ignore him. Quit shooting the damn messenger - people are saying the same thing you are.
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