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Ratings to cost L$25

Lo Jacobs
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01-10-2005 23:38
Yep, this'll suck for the newbies. Seriously. Bad, bad idea.

It won't just suck for the newbies, actually. It'll suck for everyone. It's the newbies who fly around randomly and buy more stuff, anyway. I remember saving up for things and the only way I could do that was through ratings, since I didn't yet know how to create anything worthwhile (and of course there's the L$10 per texture).

Well, we'll see how this pans out. It's nice to know that the Lindens actually listen to us, anyway. I can see 'em sitting around trying to figure out how to make everyone happy. So thanks. :) But it's still an iffy situation.
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Ice Brodie
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01-10-2005 23:44
a rating was meant to be a way of saying: you have done something above average.
it became: hi; I want to sleep with you; rate me back; I want more money Tuesday rate me back; now U rate me; hugz <3; and occasionally, I'd rate you for doing something above average but I already rated you.
This is a step towards turning the system into the system it was meant to be.
Rather than something abused constantly.
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Nolan Nash
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01-10-2005 23:50
From: Ice Brodie
a rating was meant to be a way of saying: you have done something above average.
it became: hi; I want to sleep with you; rate me back; I want more money Tuesday rate me back; now U rate me; hugz <3; and occasionally, I'd rate you for doing something above average but I already rated you.
This is a step towards turning the system into the system it was meant to be.
Rather than something abused constantly.

Problem is the people who will abuse it still will and this will just cost the rest of us more to give out honest ratings.

"Hey! I 'll pay you 75 if you pay me 75 and we can rate each other." Just adds more BS to go through for the honest person and the rate abusers could care less. They would spend all nite trying to get back at you. Do we honestly believe more money will inhibit this?

Not to mention this could spring up 'tagging' businesses because now there is money in it.
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Korg Stygian
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01-10-2005 23:51
From: Lo Jacobs
(and of course there's the L$10 per texture).

This is a pretty easy to overlook point.

LL just made it two and one-half times less "important" to upload a sound, texture or whatever than to act "social".....

So much for the "experimental metaverse". Now it's the "betaeconomicslabverse".
MrsJakal Suavage
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01-10-2005 23:53
From: Korg Stygian
Snip.... "betaeconomicslabverse".


LOL :p
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Lo Jacobs
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01-10-2005 23:55
From: Korg Stygian
This is a pretty easy to overlook point.

LL just made it two and one-half times less "important" to upload a sound, texture or whatever than to act "social".....

So much for the "experimental metaverse". Now it's the "betaeconomicslabverse".


That's a good point, but what I meant was ... I couldn't really create anything 'cause I didn't have the funds to upload the textures without getting more rates (because I was relying on my stipend).

And also, I would think that making it easier to create stuff would be better, no? I mean, wouldn't it be sort of stupid to raise the taxes if you wanted to create something? If you think about it, if it costs more to rate someone than to create stuff, where should your money go?
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Sensual Casanova
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01-10-2005 23:56
From: Alan Palmerstone
Huge party, total abuse of the rating system. It is anarchy.

I am loving it!

If the Lindens aren't going to make any serious reforms to the rating system, we all might as well have fun with it.

Hell, I have been building and selling things for 7 months and I finally got my building rating over 100 tonight.

And, Siggy, I was thinking about the $5000 bullet joke when I heard about the rating cost increase, but couldn't remember who said it. Thanks!


I dont recall LL asking what we thought of thier changes before they totally ruined the economy... not only with ratings, with stipend and events...

FUCK EM"!
Sydney Jacobs
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01-11-2005 00:02
From: MrsJakal Suavage
Hello??? Did you even read what i said!! I was for getting rid of it altogether. Not increasing the cost per rate! Gawd forbid i piss off a person with tons of L$! You think they will give a second thought to giving a neg rating?



Umm ya, no need to be like that, i don't like the increase, i don't like the rating system either. I was just replying to your saying your no longer taking part in the ratiing system.

My point was Im sure ALOT of ppl will be considering their rates IF they do them at all.
LordJason Kiesler
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Join date: 30 May 2004
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01-11-2005 00:28
Well perhaps people will stop living off wellfare and actually do somehing usefull.

Also the land barrons got the same FK in the @ss not to long ago.

And the value of L$ is still half of what it should be.

You all whined cause land was to much, youve got your way at the expense of someone elses happyness.
Now its the other way around.

And serously all this is going to do Is make ratings MEAN what there supposed to.
From now on I wont rate someone just cause they rated me.
It will be,, hey cool you did something deserving of it so here ya go.

Everyone was always in the mindset, well they keep paying me so I guess I'm allowed to do it.
Well guess what, thats the Mindset of a child. SL is for over the age of 18.
And the events junk,, Well tadaa thats what happens when people abuse it regularly.
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MrsJakal Suavage
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01-11-2005 00:34
From: LordJason Kiesler
Well perhaps people will stop living off wellfare and actually do somehing usefull.

snip..for blah fucking blah blah blah.



Not everyone who is upset with these changes lives off welfare and they do alot in the SL community Mr. Clueless!
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Willow Zander
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01-11-2005 00:38
From: LordJason Kiesler
Well perhaps people will stop living off wellfare and actually do somehing usefull.




Well I gotta say, this kinda sucks, I mean personally I live off my stipend and money I have made in the past, cos I have NO clue on how to build or script, and the clothes I make are hardly worth the time made making them.

So what about the poor uncreative souls like me, that rely on their stipends? I am not endorsing mass rates or anything like that, but you gotta throw a lifeline to the people that have no creativity or skills to create....
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MrsJakal Suavage
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01-11-2005 00:40
From: Willow Zander
Well I gotta say, this kinda sucks, I mean personally I live off my stipend and money I have made in the past, cos I have NO clue on how to build or script, and the clothes I make are hardly worth the time made making them.

So what about the poor uncreative souls like me, that rely on their stipends? I am not endorsing mass rates or anything like that, but you gotta throw a lifeline to the people that have no creativity or skills to create....



Good Morning sweet willow!!! huggerz :) I thought I would do that since your going to need it after reading the forums lol
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Kathmandu Gilman
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01-11-2005 00:43
I don't get it, why rate at all now? It will cost $25 per rating and the person being rated gets what? Nothing. It doesn't matter. A year from now when only us old folks have ratings the newbies will stare in confusion. From what is being said, the delta is gone so who cares what your rating is? With only a $50 or $500 stipend, who the heck is going to rate anyone?
Kris Ritter
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Join date: 31 Oct 2003
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01-11-2005 00:48
From: Jauani Wu
i want LL to clear all ratings! let's start from scratch.


I agree. If they are changing it from 'next to freebie ratings that were farmed' to 'wow. this actually means something, it cost them L$25 to do this!' then yes, it's not the same thing at all. Wipe em and start again or it means even less than it does now.
Kris Ritter
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01-11-2005 00:51
From: LordJason Kiesler
Well perhaps people will stop living off wellfare and actually do somehing usefull.


Oh come on! Get real here... this is not the real world! We don't have to join the rat race and knuckle down 5 days a week to earn a wage!

This is supposed to be fun! A game! Some people come here to chat, play games, dance... if they didnt, the people that run events and clubs wouldnt have any customers to make them dwell, because they'd all be out there working to make money!
Dallas Moreau
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Join date: 7 Dec 2004
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01-11-2005 01:00
I propose that those people with money pay me to rate them positively. Say, $25 per rating, plus an additional $25 fee for me. I don't mind the rich getting good ratings, as long as I can benefit, too.

As a matter of fact, I will formally organize a "ratings exchange" and match those who are willing to pay big bucks for good ratings with those who are willing to sell themselves for money to do it. Come to think of it, I will also organize the exchange to match those who are willing to pay big bucks to neg rate someone else with those who are willing to sell themselves to do it. The neg rate service will be a bit more expensive, of course.

This is my new SL business. I will announce the name, location, and details of my rating exchange tomorrow, after I've had time to find my greedy bastard mask and wear it for a few hours.
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Hiro Pendragon
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01-11-2005 01:10
LJ, since you spammed your post on 3 threads:

From: LordJason Kiesler

Well perhaps people will stop living off wellfare and actually do somehing usefull.

Why should you have to be forced to do something useful in SL? People have every right to come and relax and not build / run anything. What's wrong with having a minor stipend?

From: someone
Also the land barrons got the same FK in the @ss not to long ago.
We're talking the difference between a few people, and a majority of SL users. BIG difference.

From: someone
And the value of L$ is still half of what it should be.

Says you. Philip himself said the L$'s ideal price is desired by LL to be $4/1kL.

From: someone
You all whined cause land was to much, youve got your way at the expense of someone elses happyness.
Now its the other way around.

Erm, regardless of how the changes might affect the economy, the problem is that we haven't had time to discuss and test them as a community.

From: someone
And serously all this is going to do Is make ratings MEAN what there supposed to.
From now on I wont rate someone just cause they rated me.

It will be,, hey cool you did something deserving of it so here ya go.

Except for the people with money, who will rate and get their friends all rated, and still rate grief, because 25L isn't much to richer players. So, no.

From: someone
Everyone was always in the mindset, well they keep paying me so I guess I'm allowed to do it.
Well guess what, thats the Mindset of a child. SL is for over the age of 18.

What mindset are you talking about? You're not making much sense here.

From: someone
And the events junk,, Well tadaa thats what happens when people abuse it regularly.

What? You break it worse than it was without discussing it with the community first?
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Jacobi Fatale
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01-11-2005 01:20
im not going to bring usd thru gom to spend 25l to rate someone. ratings are over for me.

Jacobi
Willow Zander
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01-11-2005 01:33
From: MrsJakal Suavage
Good Morning sweet willow!!! huggerz :) I thought I would do that since your going to need it after reading the forums lol


I KNOW!

I logged on at home cos I had a spare 5 minutes and saw all this... WTF I cannot leave you people alone for a few hours without you all creating drama... and Lindens... no.. no I love you all really... but please, stop all the whiners and just put us back to normal :( I CAN'T DO SOD ALL... I cannot earn my keep *sobs*
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LordJason Kiesler
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01-11-2005 02:40
From: someone
LJ, since you spammed your post on 3 threads:

So saying that your justifying your actions because of myne.
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Hiro Pendragon
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01-11-2005 02:44
From: LordJason Kiesler
So saying that your justifying your actions because of myne.

*sigh* I replied to your posts on all three threads because I thought it doubtful that you'd remove them.
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Willow Zander
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01-11-2005 02:45
From: LordJason Kiesler
So saying that your justifying your actions because of myne.


*mine

THERE Lindens... I was helpful, now gimme some money for being helpful and educational!

:p
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Kris Ritter
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01-11-2005 02:47
From: Willow Zander
*mine

THERE Lindens... I was helpful, now gimme some money for being helpful and educational!

:p


They said you had to be a mentor, not mental
Willow Zander
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01-11-2005 02:52
From: Kris Ritter
They said you had to be a mentor, not mental


tsk tsk... TROLL :rolleyes:
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LordJason Kiesler
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01-11-2005 04:02
From: someone
*mine

THERE Lindens... I was helpful, now gimme some money for being helpful and educational!


Well I do not expect the lindens to do so, But If u can catch me in world I will give you a tip for helping me. :p
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