Patriot Act deux

Rose, I totally agree with what you say. I dont think drugs are used properly in this day and age, because parents are lazy or are working to much and dont have time to raise their kids right. I will also bet thought that children arent as well behaved in school as trhey used to be. I make and sell educational materials to teachers and I know that there is a serious problem in schools today, because kids are allowed to misbehave at home or arnet taught propper respect. The parents expect the school to do it for them, but then half of them start sueing when the school tries to. It's a really messed up situation.

I didnt attend a catholic school in the 50's I've heard about how they are strict.

I attended a public school in the 80' I got paddled when I needed it and it really helped keep me in line. I would have been considered adhd by todays standars and maybe I was. I know I didnt pay well enough attention in school, but I still get along well enough in my life. I dont think drugs are nessasary in any but extreme cases.

And oil? Should the west open their own wells and pay $5/liter for gas? Or keep invading countries to secure cheap energy from the cheap labour that pumps it? What about weapons? Should the west kidnap democratically elected leaders to sell weapons to each side when a civil war starts?




Why was Nader not at your debates? Why doesn't the womens league of voters orgranize your debates any longer? Why was the Libretarian candidate ( who is on the ballot on 48 states) and the Green Party candidate arrested when they showed up at the debate? That's balance?





Not if people keep accepting laws that strip citizens of their rights.

Ok, I'm sorry I tried to discuss this with you, I see that I am talking to conspiracist.

Thanks Rose for not being obnoxious.

Again I say props to Osama, he knows how to divide and conquer.

No I wasn't trying to lie...I was posting at the same time but ended up on the phone with my local DSS to find out their stance on the situation. This has come to an impass you wish to paint me as some tin foil wearing paranoid freak which is fine as I have been called worse. I am only trying to bring to light that which most people are not aware of. And I am not a fan of Osama but sometimes that which we need to hear comes from the strangest of sources. I will concede defeat...you win. I am redirecting my efforts in another avenue which may prove more beneficial by aligning myself with an organization which is fighting against the drugging of american children. Maybe they will be more willing to fight instead of just trusting the man.

A hearty A-MEN, Isis! I think this quote bears repeating:

They that can give up essential liberty
to obtain a little temporary safety
deserve neither liberty nor safety.

- Benjamin Franklin

I am a foil wearing freak... but my friends love me in spite of it.

Foil wearing freaks are kind of like the tuning forks of society - they tend vibrate before the big music starts.

We already have more people imprisoned than any other nation in the world. So don't try to say they will not. And we have allowed other "paper" to be considered mandatory...you cannot work in the US without a SS card. So why is the Verichip so different. Maybe you should do a bit of research on the usability of a new tech before boohooing the possibility of its uses. But then again I am just a paranoid leftist so who knows

Paolo I think I love ya lol ...that is my favorite quote!!

Isis, I dont want to try to paint you as a tinfoil hat wearer, but you automatically tried to paint me as some "the man" loving sheep.

I believe in your heart you want to do good, but maybe you need to calm down a little and not be so uptight about it. I am not a government lover, I'm not a conservative, im not even a republican, though I dont totally disagree with everything republicans say. You might say I would most closely align myself with Libertarian. I consider myself a liberal, but I dont totally agree with every liberal cause, because I think that some liberals are complete nutjobs. At the same time I think some conservative people are freeking nutjobs. What I wont do is jump on the bandwagon of instantly assuming everything the governement does is evil.

I cant understand how people think that getting rid of Saddam is such a bad thing if we do truely liberate these people and let them run their own country by having voting rights. It's better than what they had before. Of course there are a bunch of Osamas lackys in Iraq now causing both the US soldiers and the Iraqis problems and I dont know if that will be resolved easily. It's a really messed up situation over there. I dont think that it was handled real well and I blame the current administration of making very idealistic assumptions about how it would play out.

I am against corporate corruption. I am against government corruption. I am against radical ideas on either side of the spectrum in this discussion. I dont get where you assume I want bad things.

I do know that there are things in the way of our national intelligence getting the info it needs on murderers. I dont think they are taking enough time to fully think it through. I dont think they are TRYING to take away our freedom though either. Possibly leaving it open to abuse in the future, but that's why we have things called amendments.

I dont appreciate being attacked immediately for having my own opinion on things.

Some of them think aliens are controlling our government, Rose.

Not saying that you think that... Snicker*

More freedom means more abuse. Not everyone is a good guy.

I dont agree with the drug laws though. I think the way it is handled is more harmfull than helpfull.

I don't remember attacking you...I really don't agree with your strange outlook on the drugging of children being necessary and I certainly do not agree with your idea that the patriot act is innocuous. You pretty much did call me a flaming idiot for being worried about the situation at hand. So be it. The facts are there for anyone to peruse...if you wish to. And please spare me the "I know you want to do good bull" I want what will be best for the future. I want an America that is not dipped in fear, that is not plagued with everyone being tagged a terrorist. I want my freedom full on un abridged freedom. Ohh and I am a Constitutional Libertarian.

I do agree with your right to say what you say when you want to say it...and that is what I will always fight for.

I've thought George & Laura were Cyborgs for some time now ....

I've lined my SL house with foil but it's so dark that I'm tripping over all the boxes of news clippings that I've pack ratted.

Recently - my SL island was dotted with crop circles and my cows were turned upside down and have funny markings on them.

My cat talks to me.

John Kerry took my shoe.

.... I'm being followed by Jeff Linden a lot.

Tommyknockers * Tommyknockers * Tommyknockers

Muhahahahahah


But really - I'm sane, I swear it.

Disclaimer: I'm not making light of your thread Isis - I just can't help myself.

On the drug issue I can give you some pretty interesting sites regarding the mis-management of that war. But America needs to look at other peoples toes as well. Instead of just when our personal pinky toes are being stepped on. There are other issues. Many other issues that reflect the abuse...and just because it "always happens" doesn't mean we shouldn't point out the loopholes and out the offences.

This is where you started thinking for me. It's not the country for me. I think the government exist in our best interest regardless of the facts at hand.

To me this is and attack. Saying I dont belong in this freedom loving place.

The worst I said about you is believing to much of what MM says and that was after you said I dont belong here.. More to come

I never said you dont know whats going on, that is your delusion again. I was simply trying to discuss what the amendment language means.

Now you are talking to me in a condecending tone.

How is that an attack? First I said maybe which in political speak is obscure enough not to rate as an attack. Secondly if you find a benign statement such as that an attack then thank god you are not campaigning for office. That was definately not an attack just a statement. But this whole subject has gone off course partly due to my phone conversations with DSS so I take the blame. back on the phone so I won't be checking for a bit

I live in blissfull ignorance,....OH

And I'm calling you a flaming idiot?

When did I say I agreed with Runny and crew? Thanks for the words in my mouth.

this is where you assumed that I did not know what is going on....but do go ahead your on a roll

Incorrect. We expect the government to announce an alien invasion but it will be a hoax. All the photos will look real, but they will be man made. They will do this to get a license to print money for the sake of repelling the alien invasion.

My god lets start over this has gotten out of control now we are reduced to the well you said he said bs....I hope we are both above that...in the end we likely agree which is what sucks about this entire thread.

I'm leaving now just so we dont have to argue about this. I dont totally agree with you, but of course we are allowed our opinions. I think both of us have spent some time on the subject and we see things differently and I would like to leave it at that.

Can I respectfully leave?

*sigh*.

Personally, I'd say you're better off being overzealous in guarding your rights and freedoms, than not being zealous enough about it.

Nobody's going to come along, out of the blue, and say "BAM!! no more free speech!!!" and enact that into law. Rather, it'll be death by a thousand cuts. I hope you all have a lot of bandaids...