Blasting the Lindens

Bub calls me names like "M-Dogg Fizzle-Nasty!

Quite understandable Asha as I noted in my story my son asked me if he was like that as he knows he has ADHD however, through mentoring and understanding there are certain things parents of children with these disorders must do.

The problem with my friends child was he was not ADHD nor any of the affliated issues that children have.
He was simply put a spoiled little brat.
His father kneeled at the beck and call of his mother and she would never let her precious baby be punished.
Then again she was making up for issues where prior to meeting my friend she had given up two children for adoption and aborted two more.
Her parenting skills were severly lacking and it showed for the 4 days they stayed with us.

Unfortunately he is no longer my friend but he is not married to her either as the child got older it got worse as he used to call me about it just before he divorced her.

Anyway the point is even though we can "Control" certain issues with children through medicine its not always needed. In a substantial number of cases the kids simply need a butt warming to remind them they are children and the adults are boss and responsible for their care until they are old enough to make sound judgements on their own.

Problem is the typical loving parent that may wish to employ this method of punishment and reward cannot as there are a multitude of busy bodys out there that will report a parent on the spot for child abuse. Especially if they spank thier child in public.

This is a significant problem in america in my opinion is Parents are at the whim of Non-Parents who believe we are abusing our children by simply giving them a spanking.

An interesting point though is initially before my son was throughly diagnosed with ADHD the Psychologist we were seeing asked me if I thought a spanking would help with the issues we were currently having until his tests were culimnated.

I was raised in a family where if needed I got my ass busted if I screwed up. So of course I agreed that it may be what he needed.

Unfortunately that experiment lasted all of 15 minutes one day when I was going to give him a spanking.
He fought me so vehemently to prevent the spanking that his mother thought I was killing him.
I hadn't even laid a hand on him nor was I within 5ft of him.
So she said that spanking him was not a good Idea.
Hindsight 20/20 he used his crying and screaming to obtain his mothers attention to prevent the spanking thus had it of commenced it may have been a tool to use to disipline him.

As he has grown older though we have learned what tools are best for him considering his ADHD.
Taking things away from him and forcing him to use archaic methods of play such as coloring books/Reading/ simple things most of us enjoyed as children.
In the electronic age taking a computer or gameboy or xbox away seems to be damn near life threatening.

Enough of that though I think the biggest issue with the world today is people that are not parents seemingly have control over how parents are able to control their children. Which in many if not most cases can truly only be surmised by the parents that deal with that child 24/7.

Shadow

Hey! Me and my kin has just about learnt all ours numbers and letters and take big orifiences at you indignating that we might be short in the brain sections of our heads!!!!

Shadow/Asha...WOW! Thanks for you insight on ADHD...I have nephews with varying degrees of ADHD, and I've learned that there is no easy solution in how to discipline them when they misbehave. I've been a surrogate father for several of my nieces and nephews and know all too well that the needs (regarding discipline) of one child varies differently from the next. Some adults take to parenting naturally & easily, while others wish there was a degree in child rearing that one could have attained while they were back in college. I know that "look" that others give to those who just let their children run amok in public spaces (I've given a few myself), but honestly, there is a difference between letting your child run around uncontrollably, and letting your child learn to socialize and explore their personal parameters with others in public. I was raised with "old school" disciplining...it wasn't child abuse, it was DISCIPLINE in my family. In general, I was ok with that...and came out better for it because that "practice" worked with the culture I was brought up with. On the other hand, I also know that a child's behavior is greatly rooted to how well developed your rapport is with your child, and the kind of relationship and trust you've established with your child. I agree spanking isn't for everyone's parenting style, so reading your personal experiences is always enlightening.

As for Julianna, I understand people can have their negative experiences with a Linden from time to time...I know I have...but since that Linden no longer works for LL, I shall not bother mentioning his/her name. In your case though, I think much of your troubles was brought on by your own ignorance and stupidity. Your insistence on wanting to bash Lindens is only gonna encourage more negative experiences for yourself ultimately...there's nothing positive about your actions. If you've noticed, you've not received much sympathy from others because of your inability to type with any semblance of basic grammar skills, thus reducing your abililty to communicate your plight in your favor. If anything, you've lost any credibility in your mission to bash LL further. I know people make mistakes from time to time (believe or not, Lindens are human too...well Philip is a god to some residents ), but after all your posts you've made recently, I wouldn't be surprised if others (Linden or resident) are now less inclined to come to your assistance. I would think you've definitely burnt some bridges down by your actions...though I'm sure if you learned to write better, maybe Ferran MIGHT wanna help ya...well, MAYBE...

**disclaimer** I didn't read the whole thread so get off my mutherfrigging jock before you burn up another post complaining about this one. The following is my reply basedon the title because it might be funny and/or entertaining.

I hope there are female Lindens to blast onto...

you know, that old phrase "the glass is half empty" ? well the updated version is "the glasses are half spooged on"

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Well, it's called tolerance.

To answer the original post, I've had Lindens help out with problem members in my groups but thats not what you are talking about here.Your talking about a personal dispute with someone you chose to share land with and thats not really anything to do with the group now is it.

You should sell the land and move on - simple.Your own advice is sound advice - never make anyone an officer of your land.

Linden Labs are ALWAYS wary of getting involved in personal disputes - always.To be honest if it was left to me I'd split the land in half and give each of you your own half and let you get on with it - maybe that would be too simple lol.

Lindens are not gods they're human just like us, and they make mistakes but having said that where is the post lambasting yourself for trusting this so called griefer in the first place?You messed up - sell the land and move on.

gah, I thought I was going to see Uncle Linden apologizing again for bad Linden behaviour or at least making an understanding nod and cluck! I actually thought I'd see Uncle Linden closing this thread!

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Julianna, I'm with you on this one again, although I barely know you.

What you wrote was incoherent and run-on but I understood it perfectly with my gut: you had land you paid for, and you got screwed out of it, or perhaps it's that you only paid for some of it, or paid tier on it, and somebody just took it over, then put bounce scripts on you. People who don't own land and don't pay tier -- a lot of the older players who have it for free, and other lifers and loafers, just don't get it.

Now that suxxors BIG TIME. And that is exactly why I've been ranting about the problem of the "treacherous officer" ever since I've had to deal with exactly the same kind of problems.

And what do I get? I get dismissive answers about how "just the other day, a group effectively used officer recall" to get rid of the problem of a tyrannical officer.

Meh, you don't get it, Lindens. Maybe because you yourselves don't buy the land you make and you yourselves don't pay tier? Could that be it?

Land and group functions are permafucked and everyone knows that, and they need major retooling, and the Lindens themselves know that and admit it. So instead of a Linden coming on here like an *adult*, we get a bunch of some spoiled rancid derisive sarcastic 20-something !@#@#!$, and then merely a Linden who makess google eyes. Geez. And you wonder why you don't get more grownups in this game? A Linden joining in a gang-up on a resident???

Really, what they should have been saying is this:

"We're sorry you had this experience, Julianna. We're well aware that the group functions are not appropriate tools for land purchase and sharing arrangements; they were designed for other purposes. It sounds like another officer has misused their position to seize your land. It is one of the drawbacks of the group land tools that land does become the group's property, not the individual's, even when individuals paid for its purchase and pay tier on it."

"If you could supply us the details about your land purchase, your tier payments [which LL should have in its files anyway] and submit a formal abuse report on this matter, we can look into whether any improper action has been taken. Meanwhile, please document thoroughly any and all instances of the use of bounce scripts on your av. If a resident does not provide due notice of a bounce script, and pushes your avatar beyond a certain range, that is improper use of a bounce script. You can help us investigate this case better if you list all the experiences you have had with your group land and bounce scripts."

"Ultimately, Julianna, while Linden Labs will make every effort to examine your allegations carefully, and we take such reports of alleged TOS violations seriously, we cannot become involved in internal resident disputes. Linden Labs is unable to take sides in resident disputes; we are only able to examine reports of TOS violations and take action to discipline those who violate the TOS if we find evidence that the TOS is violated."

"Please do not hesitate to contact us with further questions."

"Grown-up Linden"

Well, my advice to you would be to ditch those ex-friends, show them the back of your hand, and make a new avatar. That new avatar might well evade their bounce scripts if there is something on the property you need to fetch back. You could also negrate the bunch of them. Linden Labs themselves will tell you how sweet revenge is as a new avatar, because when you die and reborn, you can remember everything. If starting a new account doesn't seem an option, try at least to move away from those rabid fucktards who stole your land -- if that is what happened and concentrate on doing something fun in the game and learning new things -- the best revenge for despicable behaviour like that is for them to realize they cannot get to you, you are above them, and you can make your own way without them.

You lucky bastard, you!! Did you have to pay him?

Julianna, you really really REALLY need to try and be more lucid when you're trying to communicate. Between the three posts you've started lately - the Norton one, the Kona one, and now this - its apparent that your written communication skills aren't cutting it when it comes to bug reporting and abuse reporting, two things where clarity is a must.

Trust me, there are TONS of people who can't put their thoughts together on paper properly, usually those with dyslexia/ADHD. My brother has both and couldn't take a written test until he was in high school - but as long as he could take the test orally, he passed with flying colors.

I work in software tech support and I deal with professionals that fall into the "total computer novice" category. These are well-educated people in their fields, but god forbid I try and troubleshoot a problem via email with them - it would take weeks. At least on the phone, I can ask them specific questions so I get the information I need.

The next time you have a problem, CALL THE TOLL-FREE NUMBER instead of trying to write out a report. I bet you'll have a much easier time making yourself understood, the Lindens won't be so frustrated trying to figure out what you're saying, and everyone wins.

After reading a few of your posts, Julianna, I noticed they are very similar in style. That is, they are terribly difficult to read, sometimes impossible.

I would suggest that you try to concentrate on your English skills and see if that helps your situation any.

Oh, and blasting the Lindens on the forums probably isn't a good way to ensure you get the help you need the next time around.

Further, I think it's important for us all to remember a few things:

1. Lindens are not gods - they are humans.
2. Not all Lindens are Customer Service (and probably havne't been trained as such).
3. Spell check helps.

Of course you would, Prokofy. Why miss another chance to make a thread about..... you?
I am surprised that you would side with her on a post that is clearly one-sided. We have no idea what is going on here - only her badly typed comments.


This is the problem. In this case, we were able to (somewhat) decifer what she was writing about, but in most of her posts its near impossible to figure out what the hell she's talking about and what the problem is. Refer to her 'beef with Kona' thread for a perfect example.


If most people are not having the problems as you two experienced, then it is working well - for most people.


Doubtful. I'm sure there are plenty of them that are/were players.


First, I'm not a 20-something Prokofy. Nor are many of the players, please stop referring to 'us' (collectively) as such. The Linden did not join in on any resident 'gang-up'. You should be reported for that comment, as it is simply a LIE.


How do you know... hell, how do any of us know, that's not what has already been sent to her? Passing judgement on the Lindens over this issue when you have ZERO insight into both sides of the story is stupid Prokofy and frankly, I'm surprised you fell for it.

At least with your other 'issue' recently, there was supporting evidence on BOTH sides - not so in this case.

Has to be Char...sorry all you others, but Char has always been wonderful. I've never known her to pass the buck, never known her to be less than helpful and interested, and I have always found that she is willing to go to great lengths to help, even though busy.

I have wrestled with the beginning of this thread. I have some 12 years experience of reading the rantings of engineers and trying to put them into grammatical and understandable English, and I can easily say that this is the most incomprehensible piece of writing I have ever tried to read. As others have said, maybe the problem with the Lindens is that they are not equipped with translators which turn nonsense into an articulate explanation of the problem.

In so far as I can read between the lines...there are problems with the way that groups work, if you hope to be able to dictate to others in any group which you start. It IS sensible to ensure that you don't invite as an officer someone who will then dismantle builds or try to take over.

It IS possible to push anyone, even Lindens, too far, and drowning them in text and complaints may be one way of doing it. It helps to have a clear idea what it is you are cross about, and to explain it very clearly. You can't dredge up everything that has happened over the last six months and expect people to sit still and listen to it.

There is a difference between constructive criticism, which hopes to improve whatever it is for the future, and makes an attempt to show what is wrong and how to change it, and destructive criticism, which simply tries to destroy and damage. On the whole, although I find it a much more hostile place than in world, the forum is a place for constructive criticism. Most of the people here care about the game, and want to help make it better, not just knock it down.
Cali

I am rather certain that the precise words that describe my opinions regarding the execrable post that kicked off this thread would be impolite to transcribe here.

Plenty has been said about the original poster, but I really have to throw my hat in.

Here we go.

No one will take you seriously until you learn to communicate like a literate, adult homo sapiens.






edit: heh, except Prokofy, but I don't read his posts in their entirety anyway.

I had Philips virtual love child and he won't pay the court ordered weekly stippend support. Does that count?

I've re-read this thread several times and was not able to locate an actual topic, as such it's being closed. Please feel free to start a new thread in the appropriate forum. Also, as a reminder, please don't personally attack your fellow Residents in the SL Forums.