Snooping on a neighbor wrong?

Add to that a triple neg rate of the owner of the object.

This is probably the only thing that I have heard of in SL that would cause me to do any of the above. I have never neg rated someone, reported abuse or banned a solitary person from my land. But as I said, I would do all of the above.

In addition, I would NEVER buy anything from a store that sold one of these.

Shouldn't warrent a tripple neg. A double. Building and Behavior. Appearance, you have no reason to be against.

Your right - triple neg rates dilute the purpose of rating. Unless of course you count ugly is as ugly does. But I get your point.

*hides binnoculars behind back and kicks camera with telephoto lens under the couch* That is so wrong!! Someone leaves one of those on my property and I find it, I will do everything I can to smear thier name, get them suspended and make sure they are remembered as the idiot they are.

Yay! Someone is talking about me!

*does happy dance*

*prepares to bump thread*

You need to ask?

Some usefull code, if the object isnt directly IM'ing, or emailing elsewhere,(IM'ing restricted to last 25, and emailing requiring seperate accounts, etc.), you can cause it to overflow it's memory easily enough.

default {
   state_main() {
       for(integer i=0; i < 700; i++) {
           llSay(0,"IGNORE - Garbage ashafhgdhghf2890fb20b89hr2f82hf982hf2");
       }
   }
}

Should overload it's memory pretty quickly. If the object is only listening for avatars, you can just say around 100 or so reasonably full lines, and the object should stackheap.

-Adam

Hi guys.

I wrote Snoopy for fun initially, having seen a talking parrot that did a similar thing (ie. recorded what people said, although it played the lines back to anyone passing). I learnt a lot doing that as it was my first real script and quite educational. Then, I thought I would offer it for sale, I figured that it was a simple script in principle and plenty of other people will have written them for their own use or for sale.

I looked at the TOS and can't see that it is illegal to make, sell, buy or own such a device. It is not even illegal to use it under certain circumstances. The TOS only says that it is against the rules to remotely record conversations of people without their consent, so, it is ok to record WITH their consent, and, so, logically, it is not illegal to have a device to do this.

I have felt a little unsure about selling the item though, and have been waiting for complaints for some time (guess I havn't been following the forum enough). You can argue the fine points of the rights and wrongs and of the TOS and get a lawyer (did someone REALLY say that in an earlier post?? sheesh!!) and the responsibilities of the manufacturer for the way his products are used if you must.

I would point out that when I became aware of the TOS, I put an extract of the relevant section in the sales poster and in the product itself (the newer version at least).

I think there are plenty of examples of products in the real world (and this) that are legal to own, but illegal or antisocial to use (ones which are used to kill people for example) this is another one if it is used incorrectly.

Also, if any shopkeeper doesn't like it, I will take it away (just dont send it back without a comment, or I'll just think it was an error and put it back again) as I can see some people are a little uptight about this.

Use it wisely, it was a great exercise to build, and personally, i don't have one in my house, and if I have something private to say, I make sure I use IMs, I certainly wouldn't want anyone's pesky parrot listening in and repeating to anyone passing.

Thanks for listening - T.

A couple of things. Firstly, thats a way simplistic view of the parrot, which is obviously for fun and not a covert listening device. For one thing, while it will randomly repeat things its heard, it does not repeat a whole conversation, in context, nor does it tell you WHO said it.

Secondly, good for you if you use IM's. Don't condemn the rest of us to having to use them because of people like you who don't see anything wrong in selling listening devices.

There is a difference.

If the 'Parrot' in question was a little black birdie in a cage... then ...

Firstly, it only records about 10% of what it hears... randomly.
Secondly, it only remembers about 30 phrases, forgetting random things above that to save memory.
Thirdly, it doesn't broadcast it anywhere... and there's no way for the owner to get at the recorded text... except for hanging round silently listening to its inane babbling.

Of course, it would have been simple to add in recording and/or broadcasting.

Remember too... the Birdie is obvious... squawking every 30 seconds... whereas 'snoopy' is all but invisible. There's no secret recording of conversations going on there... everyone present learns pretty quickly that they may be overheard, just like a RL talking bird...

If that isn't the bird you were talking about... well, I dunno...

Sio.

Thanks for your thoughts Kris

I wont stay to argue, but, do you REALLY think I am the only person to have done this? a relative newcomer? a scripting beginner? do you really think *I* am condeming the whole of SL to having to be careful about what they say in the open? This script MUST have been written SOOO many times, by much more clever and foresighted people than me, maybe you just never realised it before. But think about it: surely there are no new ideas, my version has just been brought to the fore a little because of this forum thread.

Thankyou for listening (again)

No, not the first, and almost certainly not the last...
But does that make it right?

Pfft. Just because a thousand other people may have done it before you, it doesn't make it any less wrong to do. It's a violation of privacy, whether you're the first or the one thousand and first person to do it.

I've never had reason to ban anyone from my land before... until now. Congrats, Yuki, on becoming the first person on my land ban list.

Actually, I'm really wondering why Yuki would even start this thread... she obviously knew this device was illegal, and had to assume that most people would be offended by it.... so why broadcast publicly that you've bought, used, and duplicated them, when you know it's just going to get you 1) banned from many land parcels, 2) labeled as an asshat, and 3) avoided whenever possible? The reasoning escapes me. Somebody should go find her land and warn her neighbors.

By the way, just for fun, I think I'm going to begin work on an asshat that will be available in SL. I'll be sure to make it PG-friendly and free to copy.

SOund like a minor eh? Well English is my second language ^^

Her land is in Cottonwood, south side of the canyon, about mid way along.

For anyone thinking of renting one of my condos next door, rest assured that these devices will be subject to the auto-return timer which will have a short time set on it next time I am in-world. I will also ensure the buildings are at least 20m from Yuki's land.

*sigh* now I have to go replace all umpteen Linden pine trees with my own so that auto-return won't create a bare landscape.

Asshat? What even is that ^^?

and I deleted them all ^^, Now I will just use my spell to find this sort of info(I wuv my wand I made =D). Anyways english isnt my first language so I dont care if I sound like a minor to you, cause your avatar is a naked baby

and Lisse, the thing can hear the whole sim, even though they are gone(I improved it ^^, remember this is the Ohu not the snoopy we are talking of ), so technicallu....well lets just say you cant hide, you just cant.

Yes, snooping on a neighbor is wrong. Sheesh, some people need to mind their own fucking business. If two or more dots are huddled together, leave them alone. You don't need to know.

Jerking off to a couple having an intimate conversation is definitely crossing over to a mentally ill perversion. And that's basically what a snoop does. Besides, it probably just sounds like your parents making naughty talk. Soooo wrong.

Thanks for proving that all my paranoid tendencies are within good reason though.

TRUST NO ONE! THEY'RE OUT THERE!

<<and Lisse, the thing can hear the whole sim, even though they are gone(I improved it ^^, remember this is the Ohu not the snoopy we are talking of ), so technicallu....well lets just say you cant hide, you just cant.>>

LINDENS - COULD YOU DEAL WITH THIS PERSON, PLEASE?

I do remember a very reputable scriptor making a remote listening device, the Lindens found out and he was threatened to be banned if he ever did it again.

lol, how do you know I even made the Ohu, nobody has ever seen it, and its impossible to, since its gone now . How do you know it ever existed ~^? You dont

and who said that anyone would masturbate to that? Sheesh, mind in the gutters

As you know by now ... "Remotely monitoring conversations, posting conversation logs, or sharing conversation logs without consent are all prohibited in Second Life and on the Second Life Forums."

A few points to make:

Residents have no more right to monitor conversations, or share conversations without consent, on their own parcels than anywhere else in Second Life. "Remotely" means away from the conversation, not away from home ...

We don't have a prohibition on possessing scripted objects which might be used for "bugging"; however, finding a tiny, mis-named bug placed covertly makes us take a [B]very[/B] stern look at the bug's owner.

If you suspect a monitoring device is present, file an abuse report with as much information as possible (screenshot showing bug, name and coordinates of bug, name of bug's owner and creator, etc.).

-- Michael Linden
Customer Support

Awww Yuki you get to be the reason I make my very 1st post. I happen to live in Lisse's condos. (Lisse you are a great landlord and such a sweetie.) I hope you have enjoyed listening in on the converstations of me and my friends. I'm sure we've given you hours of enjoyment.

I just want you to know I find this to be totally appalling. I don't care if its been done or if its not actually agianist the rules. Its just basic common courtesy and respect for others around you. You should be ashamed of yourself. But I doubt you even care. I hope you enjoy whatever sick pleasure you get out of doing this. I'll be sure to put on a better show tonight.

Looking into this whole 'snoopy' thingy. I found it's a very simple script to write, so I wrote one that sends you IMs of what it hears, so if you're offline, it will send the messages to your email account. Thus, you wouldn't miss a word of any nearby conversation. I tested it with some friends (with their consent), and it worked like a charm. We were on opposite ends of the world map, and I could hear everything. Plus, I made the object as small as allowed, and added an invisible texture so it was undetectable. It gets even better! I added the script to an attachment, and did the same tests with my friends, and could hear every word they said, including those around them, no matter where they were, as if I was right next to them. Sure enough, I even logged off, and then starting receiving the emails of their conversations.

I was disappointed that all the Lindens can do about it is investigate abuse reports. It's disturbing to know how easily this is created, and even more disturbing that people are now making a profit because of it. I'm feeling a strong urge to post the script on the forum, and make it freely available to everyone. There are pros and cons to this, though, so I would like some feedback before I post it.

PROS
-Nobody will profit from this TOS violator.
-More people using it will increase the chances of having the Lindens take better action.

CONS
-Everone will have it, and will have the power to listen to anybody, anywhere, anytime.
-People may lose interest in playing, knowing their privacy is being violated, which is already happening. Luckily, this adds to the second point of the PROS.

Let me know how you feel about this. I have no problems posting the script...it's a very, very powerful tool.

i say post it its cheap enough anyway that everyone tht wants it can easly buy it so may as well stop others from making money on something bad