Incest is SL?

Well, since my mind has already been polluted reading this thread, here goes ...

... assuming these were consenting adults ...

It is more than sheer fantasy?
Because the act of sharing it with another person brings it out into the real world, I'm going to say yes. It is fulfilling a fantasy, not simply having one.

Is phone sex incest?
I always equated AV sex conceptually along the same lines as phone sex... no contact, simply communication. It's not sex, but then again, neither is what Bill Clinton did. It is, however, sexual interaction. So I'm sticking my neck out here and saying, "Yes, it's sexual interaction."

Are both parties stimulating themselves during the act?
Crude question, I know. But looking at this seriously, I think that takes the level of sexual interaction even higher.

Are both people in the same room?
I thought this was a very interesting question. If the answer is yes, then I think it's a level higher than simple sexual interaction, especially if the answer is yes to the previous question.

And to reiterate what a number of people have said - if indeed this is a real example and the daughter is underage, then the father really should turn himself in to the authorities, or at the very least a good shrink.

I did that just for you Liona -- I love trees, and cactus, and rolling hills.

#7 do we get to see pictures

#8 will there be live video in 1.6

#9 what if the father is the minor

#10 Why not a mother and a daughter

#11 Or grandfather and grandson

#12 Im totally kidding

#13 I hope this is hypothetical

#14 we all need to drink more

Bah..incest was ok'd by god in the Old Testiment and all the coolest Roman Emporers and many ruling families in many cultures did/do it. So why not SL? We need an inbred, unstable, decadent, gene-corrupt line of rulers in SL!

David, I dont think incest is a pre-requisite for corruption in leadership anymore =P

Dude, you can't force someone to have av sex. You can't hold someone down and av-rape them. They can log out, TP out, WALK AWAY, etc. Av sex on SL is always going to be consensual (disregarding, of course, fun with the AFK avs of friends. ), because you can't force someone to sit on a pose ball.

And, anyway, I don't know why everyone is automatically assuming the daughter in this situation (If it even -is- a situation) is underaged.

And, even if one party -was- underaged, I still don't see how that gives us a right to judge. Get them banned for TOS violation, sure. But who cares what they do from the comfort of their own computer? And why is it our business?

I never mentioned I thouht she was underage. My point is clear a RL father/daughter (no matter the age or exact relationship - birth/step/adoptive) engaging in fantasy incest is not an acceptable behavior. You wouldn't want this to be your family, and you wouldn't want to be associated with them in any way because you know it is dangerous and destructive abnormal behavior. The reason it is dangerous and destructve is because it involves serious mental and emotional control and manipulation.

One thing i like about being an adult Chip is that I can make value statements and judgments based people's behavior, and yes, mine to.

I've seen enough abusive behaviors in both SL and here on the forums to prompt me to add my .02c of judgments whenever the spirit moves me.

Im not voicing my oppinion on the subject matter being discussed.. but disagree with this thought. If the daughter IS underaged, I think it is possible reason for lot people to be concerned. Wouldnt be a far leap of logic to believe if the father is forcing her in RL (once again if underaged) to perfom sexual acts in SL, that its just a primer for a RL molestation.

Seconded.

can we subdivide this thread into-

(a) People considering the question deeply and morally then giving really earnest and 'intelligent' replies?

and

(b) People taking the piss and having a good laugh?

Dunno Merwan. Personally I feel that judging people I have never spoken to, don't know anything about, and have only hearsay to go by is overstepping my bounds by a wide margin. My entrance into adult hood didn't grant me the automatic right to assume moral superiority. Your mileage may vary.

taking the piss? when did this turn into a discussion of water sports? honestly that's disgusting and harmful behavior and i wouldn't want to associate with anybody involved. and that's before we look at the question of whether either or both party might be underaged. are both parties stimulating themselves during the act? are both people in the same room? if not are they they using a complex system of pipes and hoses? is it water sports if you pee while talking on the phone? these are important (but disgusting) issues.

I apologize in advance for this "essay". If you don't want to read it, don't. You probably won't agree with it anyway. I know I'm not expressing the popular view here, (which is, of course, extreme disgust and abhorrence), but I think it's important to argue both sides of this topic.

This wasn't even what was originally asked. You all decided to weigh in your opinions on the subject and, in some cases, package them as fact. Well, there are two sides to every coin. So here we go.

I probably won't respond to any comments on this, because it's pointless to argue against people who already have their minds made up, but if you feel the need to comment anyway, feel free.





Please do not presume to speak for me.

I'll agree that such behavior should be classified under "abnormal", because, agreed, it is not the norm in our society by any means. But "dangerous" and "destructive"? "Involves serious mental and emotional control and manipulation"?

No, not necessarily.

I don't want to get into a huge debate over whether or not incest is morally right (if there -is- such a thing as "right", but I just don't agree with you 100% on this.

It is quite possible for an incestuous relationship to be dangerous, destructive, and the result of mental and emotional manipulation. But it's also possible for ANY relationship to be dangerous, destructive, and the result of mental and emotional manipulation.

It is not as uncommon as you might think for women to marry men they thought were wonderful guys who would never hurt them, and, lo and behold, the husband starts raping, abusing, manipulating, and emotionally damaging the woman until she starts blaming herself for hating her husband and begins thinking everything is her fault. I heard about one woman who was a basic prisoner in her own house for something like 15 years? She had a room. And her husband fed her (sometimes) through a hole in the door. And that, unfortunately, is not really that uncommon. It happens.

That sort of thing is extremely sad, but has nothing to do with incest, and happens a lot more often than abusive incestuous relationships.

Thing is, if the child is grown, they can make their own decisions. And if it is a manipulative relationship, then it's no different from any other manipulative relationship. It's sad, yes, and the victim (and the assailant) need help, just like any other person in that situation.

Such a relationship could also be very healthy, though. Just like any other healthy relationship.

If the child is underaged, then it's technically statuatory rape, but-- I know no one wants to hear this, but-- underaged people can think for themselves. It is quite possible that an underaged person could be the initiator of such a relationship. Or the adult could be the initiator and the child could be okay with it.

Because I really like studying people's sexual and mental idiosyncrasies, WITHOUT judgement, I do know several pedophiles, and every single one of them would never, ever be able to do anything to harm a child. They almost worship them, see them as infinitely precious, would never be able to say no to them, about anything, etc.

I'm not saying it's not possible for the relationship to be sour. It is quite possible for an adult to take advantage of a child, ESPECIALLY if it's a parent, because they are such influential figures in a child's life.

But, it's inaccurate to say that all relationships of this type are dangerous, destructive, and the result of mental and emotional manipulation. Because they aren't all.

Incestuous relationships are not only accepted, but encouraged in some parts of the world. Does that mean the people who engage in them are wrong, backwards, sick, etc.? Whole tribes/races/nations of people who do are wrong, backwards, and sick?

What if they find -us- wrong, backwards, and sick? Who's right?

I say: Who the Hell cares? As long as it's not harmful in any way to anyone, then just look the other way if it bothers you.



Concerned, sure. It's not normal in our society. Anything that's not normal sticks out and is the cause of concern. That's the way people work. And, yes, it could indeed be a very bad situation. So it's fine for people to be concerned, to a point.

What I'm not happy about is people just coming in here, going "OMG THAT IS SO GROSS OMG EW THAT PERSON NEEDS SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO MUCH THERAPY OMG" and then leaving. We weren't asked to pass judgement. We were asked if that situation counts as incest.



That is a very real possibility, sure. It's possible that the father in this situation could be blackmailing the daughter or threatening her with physical abuse if she doesn't comply. I'm not saying that's not altogether possible.

But that's also not the only possible situation, and, since no one knows what the actual situation is, if, again, it is a situation at all, it's probably better NOT to come in and stomp around about morals and OMG THAT'S SO GROSS, HOW CAN ANYONE DO THAT, etc.

Be concerned all you want. It's good to want to offer support if you suspect a bad situation, but, with all due respect to all of those who have posted, it could be nothing, and it's a bit rude to automatically assume the worst and then proceed to rally about it in a public forum with no information whatsoever.




[And, by the way, I would be extremely interested to talk to anyone involved in the original question, if there are such people. This sort of thing interests the Hell out of me. Feel free to IM me in-world if you exist.]

Because the overwhelming majority of sex offenders were molested as a minor?

Your logic would be the equivalent of saying: "It's possible for anyone to get into an auto accident, so why shouldn't we let 10 year olds drive?" The answer to both my analogy and your question is simple: They haven't fully developed emotionally or in maturity yet.

It's why there's a minimum voting age, or drinking age, or draft age, or gambling age... the list goes on. Is this so hard to understand?

I had a whole long response typed out, but I erased it. There is no moral relativity with this subject.

Please stop giving the pedophiles intelligent-sounding, yet faulty rhetoric for them to attempt to justify their perverted actions.

THis is a rather disturbing thread it is just wrong... and besides why would you want to be naughty with your own daughter/son... in anyway even in a stupid game...

Haha!

OK The original poster said this......if she was a grown woman, married w/ kids.....1,000 miles away and found a guy she liked and 'married' IN game...and THEN found out he was her father.......

INTENT is what we're talking about here.......SHE didn't INTEND to have virtual sex w/ her father, she didn't INTEND to to have an icestuous realationship.......

I assume she may be asking cuz it happened....who knows, I seriously doubt we're talking about a minor child here folks.

I can only assume if this really happened to a gal that it must have left her upset....shamed and confused.

I can only say this.......embrace the fact that the two of U found so much common ground that U were attracted to each other, that speaks volumes.......I for one had nothing in common w/ my father........

But yes once U realize that U ARE Father and Daughter (cuz the world IS such a small place) then things must change......but guilt shouldn't play too large a role.......U didn't INTEND for this to happen.

I hate to even add to or feed this thread, but...

If you call them "pedophiles", then you obviously know they have sexual attraction of some kind to children. This indicates an mental issue to me. Even in Greece where the male mentor-young boy system was in place, if it was with boys under 12 it was considered pedophilia.

Pedophiles generally like children, as in young children. I would say 16+ is an acceptable age for sexuality, as 16 is the legal age in many countries, and comes with adult responsibilites and adult rights in many countriess, but younger than this I feel is fairly wrong. (But under 18 IS ILLEGAL in the US)

Having a sexual attraction to young children is a problem, and it has been proven is often tied to the person being abused as a younger child themselves in some way. Some of these people are sexually attracted to those as young as 6 or 7, and that is DEFINITELY a problem. I think in almost any, if not every culture in the world this would be considered abhored, and wrong.

it's diffrent in diffrent states.

This? Again??

What two consenting adults want to roleplay between each other is their own business. Period.

Now, a question that keeps me up at night... if I were to clone myself, and then have sex with my clone, is that incest... or is it masturbation?

its called roleplay.

let me ask this

A father and daughter play counterstrike and shoot each other in the head is that murder ?

Of course not. The intent of Counterstrike is to compete, not to physically harm another person.

Online sex, however, has the same aim as offline sex - to arouse, stimulate.

Your analogy is Apples and Oranges to the topic at hand.

If someone puts up a racist website, does that mean it's just roleplaying? No, of course not. Just because something is online doesn't make it fake.

omg now you're bringing gay sex into this!!? How about you then killed your clone and then had sex with the corpse? Might as well drag that into it...


"Incest... a game for all the the family!"