PETA kills animals!

Just doing my part to add to the paranoia.

shhhhhhhhhh they are out there....who you ask? shhhhhhhh you know THEM. Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh or they will see you and know you know they are there and ................................................................................


I am sorry Lupo can no longer be with you all. He has taken his leave.

Actually - I believe that this is the case she is refering to. I see a lot of references to it and NO WHERE does it state that the dog was tortured because it attempted to attack anyone. There are a couple of other cases where people have shot stray dogs in their yards but only got fines. Even these asshats only got a year.

edited to add that I just looked up maximum sentencing for Animal Cruelty in New York State and for the record, it's 2 years.

Judge Tries To Ease Tensions In Animal Cruelty Case

2 Men Accused Of Shooting Dog With Bow And Arrow

POSTED: 4:17 p.m. PDT August 31, 2004
UPDATED: 4:52 p.m. PDT August 31, 2004

TACOMA, Wash. -- The judge in a controversial animal cruelty case issued a warning to animal rights advocates who packed the courtroom on the first day of the trial Tuesday.

Troy L. Loney, 19, and Steven L. Paulson, 21, both of Wilkeson, are charged with first-degree animal cruelty for allegedly killing a dog with a bow and arrow. If convicted of the felony in Pierce County Superior Court, the men could face a maximum year in prison.

About 50 animal welfare activists filled the courtroom and urged maximum sentences for what they called a cruel and senseless torture death.

Judge Thomas Felnagle ordered spectators not to wear shirts and buttons expressing their views.

"No confrontations, especially out in the hallway," Felnagle said. "I know that sometimes people's emotions can run high but you're just going to have to keep that in check."

According to court papers, Loney and Paulson tied a stray Siberian husky to a tree near Wilkeson Elementary School.

The men are accused of shooting the dog with a bow and arrow, removing the arrow and repeating the act 10 times before dumping the dog's body into Wilkeson Creek. The body was not recovered.

Lawyers for the two men say that there must be significant suffering before a felony charge is warranted and that the pair had no intention of torturing the dog.

Loney has said the dog was thin and mangy and they put it out of its misery.

Paulson's lawyer, Philip Bolland, contends the prosecutor's office did not have enough facts to support a felony animal cruelty charge.

Deputy Prosecutor Dennis Ashman said the method the men chose to kill the dog ensured it would suffer unduly.

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In Scotia Glenville, NY a man kills a dog and gets 10 years for killing dog. And, the man came rushing out of his house with a bow and arrow and fired 1 arrpw killing the dog instantously. Shot the dog through the neck helping a person out Justice in an animal roghts activist community. Same place a 3 month gets killed in a DWI accidents and gets 6 months probation for involuntary manslaughter,

Please post a link because the maximum time one can get for animal cruelty is 2 years:

http://4higgins.com/Anti-CrueltyLaws2.htm

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Rose I do not havbe a scanner and cannot find it anywhere online I think they added more charges to him to get 10 years. 2 years for that and more than likely firing a weapon in public along iwth endagerement even if it is helping another person. I feel sorry for him to he was in his 40's. I do hate laws sometimes.

You are talking abou Scanning it. So you have the paper? Give use the guys name. Give use the old womans name. Give us the date. IF you have the info let us have it and with Google we should be able to find it.

Better yet where do they get off attacking doctors or people walking down the street?


It never fails the political idiots have to voice their hatred for one party or another in every thing...this thread is about PETA dear not bush or whatever political target your after this week.


Better yet lets hold them down ...shove a funnel in their mouth and cram spam down their throats.


Ruin their finances? they raked in 29 million dollars last year dear....do your homework



No you're just another person that thinks their political ideals belong interjected into every topic....

Yeah - I hate them sometimes too. (Seriously, I'm not being sarcastic here).

While I do believe that people should be held accountable for their actions when they endanger, maim or kill another, I also think that the political ambitions of prosecutors, the political ambitions of special interest groups (PETA, Right to Lifers etc) and corporate America tend to twist the law to the extent that it no longer renders real justice for anyone.

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Yeah, but it is more than just about diet. They share the meat with those according to a social order (or to restructure a social order) and that was my unspoken point before in bringing it up. Killing means something to them and nothing to us as consumers.

Paranoia games aside-- I'm going to attempt to be serious for a moment:

As for eating meat: A little bit of what you like will do you well.

And you don't need it very often to live. B12 is the only vitamin really difficult to get if you don't eat animals. It's produced only by bacteria (such as the bacteria in the intestines of animals, cultured in laboratories, or possibly kombucha to some extent). So if you don't eat animals, then you have to find other sources of bacteria to provide you with the B12. But anemia can take years to set in and B12 is very very slow to exit the body and you need barely a trace of it to function (suggested daily value is something like 6 mcg, that's millionths of a gram).

Also as far as meat goes: A lot of what you like will really screw you up. And there really is too much of it being produced. It's big business. If tabacco companies can be sued for causing cancer, why not the ad-saturating companies like McDonald's?





As far as PETA goes, I think that any organization that pulls heart strings to generate capital should be viewed with distrust (and that includes the political and the religious). The arguments that should be made are that less meat production would improve the health of people and the environment, not that hurting animals is bad (that choice is up to the community). I think that most PETA members are probably well-intentioned, but not the kind of people I would want to ally with.

::Whew... It's tough being serious instead of pretending to be serious ::

Lupo you are talking a small city population under 1000. This is not something which would be in a National Paper or online. It is a small 1/16th article has Mid 40's man kills dog with bow while saving an eldery woman gets 10 years jail time. When you have a city runned by animal activists they care little of human life. Why someone who is DWI gets 6 months probation no jail time for killing a 3 month old baby.

Meat! MMMMMMMMMM Good!! I have little joy in my life. My kids (who I don't see much because of work so I can get them a good education. My wife (who is also working so I don't see allot of) and food. I need a little joy in my life. I have to Glutton our of my diet, it makes me sick to eat it and I brake out if I eat it. So no more bread. So what that leave me with? Well I am a Meat and Bread man. Well Meat it is!

Well, obviously because a baby has accrued less value to the community than an adult. Also, an old dog could have learned a lot of tricks and could theoretically be worth as much as a baby. For all you know, that baby could end up retarded while that dog could lead a blind man.

Back in the day you were right. This is a new day. If it happend it's on the news wire on the internet. I am not calling you a lier, just back up what you say. Really I believe you are telling the truth and find it said. I also know that I want the info.

Is that supposed to be a goad? ::disappointed::

It's not to be any thing but what it is. Facts about me. I can't eat my bread and that leaves me with only one other type of food I love. BEEF! Fish to but I can't spend that kind of money.

Too bad about the cancer part, eh? I'll put a little flower in a Volkswagen on my property to remember you by.

Well I am sorry I got under your skin a bit here that was not my intent.
Also, on review the "ruin the finances" part is a reference not to PETA but other groups so that was definitely off-topic and a (slightly) cheap shot,

but....

Do you *ever* say anything positive or nice?

I was at least *trying* to divert this slimy hate-filled thread into more humorous territory.

Many apologies for not agreeing with you IMMEDIATELY. I didn't mean to have an opinion, really

For the record, I am not a member of PETA and I dont necessarily agree with them. I dont agree with atacking *anyone* (if that is what they really did), and I am not some weepy willow that thinks that no animal should ever be harmed. There are obvious practicalities involved IMO. I am also not a vegetarian although not a big fan of meat products.

I just find your posts to be virtually dripping with anger yet short on facts, background and analysis.

And BTW, most people have political ideas, they are a part of who they are.
As such they are to be expected to crop up in discussions of almost any topic and are completey valid.

I dont deny you your politics, dont deny me mine.

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Dianne Mechanique - "not a PETA supporter, just not insanely angry."

Carnivore Guilt is hard to answer. Why do people assume, because I am vegan, that I am telling them to change their diet? Personally, I find our food industry abominable, and will have no part of vegetables genetically modified to withstand soil saturated with poisons, much less the flesh, fluids, and undeveloped young of creatures birthed and slaughtered in human-crafted hell-realms. I prefer the greater variety and more complex flavors available in foods derived from dynamic ecosystems, grown and prepared with an attitude of avoiding waste and sustaining not only quantity, but quality of life.

However, I grew up eating fried meat and potatoes, and in college and beyond I went to Subway, McDonalds, Denny's and such--it was the path of least resistance, and to some extent I even avoided information that would discourage me from eating inattentively prepared foods derived from the suffering of others (both livestock and the humans that work with them). I don't expect or advise anyone to attempt a nutritive revolution w/out taking some intermediate steps.

I do support PETA and similar organizations, however, for causing people to think about the situation. I find PETA's impact on society generally positive, and I don't think those who oppose them will ever have to worry about PETA writing legislation. At most, they will educate and influence those who are already becoming aware of food injustice and the cost of callousness. If you think PETA and animal rights activists in general are "wacky," then ignore them--their message is lost on you.

You're not telling them to, but you're suggesting that something they are doing is wrong (otherwise you wouldn't talk about how abominable the food system is and blah blah etc.) and people don't like it when they are wrong. When you tell someone their way of life is wrong or not well thought out, even if it is, then they will usually take it personally even if you mean it objectively.

I'm not saying you are like this, but a LOT of vegans talk about their lives in relation to veganism instead of veganism as another facet of their lives. It is one thing to talk about nutrition when asked or when it is part of a topic at hand, but quite another to bring it up at every single opportunity regardless of the people present or the topics being discussed (kind of like how some people in the forums turn every single topic into one about themselves-- like I will do somewhat by the end of this rant).

For instance, I went to a popular vegan thai restaurant here in LA the other day and there was a whole table of people talking about veganism VERY loudly so that everyone could hear their conversation about how wonderful, great, and life changing veganism is. It was very embarrassing. I was thrilled to just be in a restaurant where I didn't have to think very hard about what was on the menu, but instead I had to eat my meal listening to these crusaders shine their goodguy badges until Jesus Christ personally sprang forth from their coconut curry and endowed them with anal halos of green.

On the other hand, perhaps people who are vegan in this way are akin to flamboyantly gay people (who have also turned what they put in their body into a sort of religion) because they've been oppressed. It sounds stupid to believe someone can be hated because of what they eat, but it's just as stupid to oppress people for what they stick in their other pleasure holes and people do it. I've seen it myself. It's possible to even inspire hatred by JUST LIVING, without proselytizing. We had a neighbor recently who noticed that every time I ate, I never ate animal products. She asked me about it and I told her that I was vegan, then she asked me why and I told her.

EVERY SINGLE TIME she was around my girlfriend after that point she brought up my eating habits when I was not in the room and talked shit about it or made accusing remarks that I am insensitive for making her feel bad about what she eats or being an asshole when I said that food my girlfriend was eating was stinky (I had asked my girlfriend not to throw chicken away in the house because it really did stink), despite the fact that I also said the same day that I did not eat watermelons because they stink but she selectively forgot that. I never brought it up once, and she never even asked me about it more than once but she wasn't afraid to make comments about it when I wasn't around and wasn't afraid to convince her boyfriend that I was an evil person whose whole persona was defined by this one facet (and her boyfriend later showed up pounding on my security door at 6am on Sunday morning trying to start a fight with me even though he was clearly on meth and not able to think straight).

Anyways, the point I'm getting at after that meandering and dramatic (yet entertaining?) story is that people are very sensitive about their way of life and in order to protect their own belief that what they are doing is right are willing to hear what they want to and aggressively push their beliefs on others even to the point of violence. I think that's why many omnivores hate vegans and many vegans hate omnivores (just as there are some straights and gays that also hate each other).

Luckily I hate nearly everyone, so I don't have to worry about the politics of discrimination. The point is that you can't help but offend people even when you try not to do anything but live so fuck 'em unless their activities begin to impede your existence (at which point you should figure out how to best remove them from your life or stop their activities).

I don't. I doubt the original poster made up the story, but I think somebody did. It may be a deliberate fabrication by anti-animal forces, or a hypothetical example that got distorted and exaggerated.

If a life were in jeopardy, no jury would impose a ten year sentence and no such sentence would stand on appeal. If such a sentence were handed down, it would be front-page news in the conservative media and be plastered all over the Net. I don't see a single reference to this case anywhere. The account is suspiciously absent of dates or names.

I smell Urban Legend.

non kill shelters can only house so many animals, and they are run soley on volunteer contribution and voluteers that run the shelters, what is peta to do with all the other animals that cant fit in one of the none kill shelter, let them live in over crowded cells with other animals and walk around in feces and run out of food? ya that sounds more humane to me, im sure they do what they do because they ahve no other choice.....because unlike overcrowding in human prisons where government hands over money to make the jails bigger, animal shelters dont get that.

thats the justice system my uncle was killed by a drunkdriver and the kid got a slap on the wrist and dont you know he went back out and killed a couple not even a whole yr later and once again he was drunk driving.

There are many things out there that I ask how could some one do that. Some are urban legend. Some are not. The problem here is I believe they meant what they said. It may be a urban legend or it could be the paper got it all wrong (see the Quran Flushing thing for example of news fucking something up). Do I smell Urban Legend? You know I just don’t know. I smell something wrong and foul but maybe not urban Legend and not at all made up by our poster here.