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Chip Midnight
ate my baby!
Join date: 1 May 2003
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01-18-2005 22:32
From: Merwan Marker Please know I am not in favor of a boycott of SLExchange.com.
This will hurt the merchants that HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS SITUATION of my being locked out. You're all class Merwan, even when you're down. 
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Siggy Romulus
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Join date: 22 Sep 2003
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01-18-2005 22:33
From: Lynn Lippmann YOU PAID ME TO POST HERE!
Now stop whining about the drahama and get your lighted penis on and go jump on a trampoline! . \ Just because you have an E.T. fetish.. You wanted the tip to glow red... Also, when you scream PHONE HOME DADDY PHONE HOME... thats pretty fucking disturbing, has anyone ever told you that? Siggy.
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Lynn Lippmann
Toe Jammer
Join date: 12 Jun 2003
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01-18-2005 22:35
Okay, you got me to spit coffee on that one.
But it's NOT "Call home, Daddy..."
I'm actually screaming... "*Cough* Gee that's a dandy!"
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Ulrika Zugzwang
Magnanimous in Victory
Join date: 10 Jun 2004
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01-18-2005 22:50
From: Lynn Lippmann Well, I see the JackAss Party has spoken. Good god! I didn't know we gonna knock the screen door on our trailer off to throw lawn chairs at each other. A simple "I don't agree with you" would suffice. I tell people about these forums at the University and they just don't believe me.  Anyways, I am waffling right now between sticking to my guns and admitting that this was premature. It is premature in the sense that the situation could possibly be resolved, Merwan isn't ready for such action, and we don't fully understand the situation. Yet at the same time I fear that Merwan is playing the role of the gracious martyr while a self-admitted blackmailer is getting away with breach of contract. If I were an ignorant user of SLExchange I would like very much to be made aware of the situation regardless of my sales. This is precisely what boycotts are for. If I did jump the gun, I apologize. I am quite sensitive to the corruption that exists within this game, specifically the legacy land issues. This is the first time I've been in the game and experienced unethical capitalist behavior from its inception. I'll head off to sleep tonight and see how I feel tomorrow. Sorry for the drama. ~Ulrika~
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Jonquille Noir
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Join date: 17 Jan 2004
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01-18-2005 22:53
From: Ulrika Zugzwang (snip)If I did jump the gun, I apologize. I am quite sensitive to the corruption that exists within this game, specifically the legacy land issues. This is the first time I've been in the game and experienced unethical capitalist behavior from its inception. I'll head off to sleep tonight and see how I feel tomorrow. Sorry for the drama.
~Ulrika~ It's okay, Ulrika, we understand.. You are a crusader desperately seeking a cause, and any cause will do.
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Lynn Lippmann
Toe Jammer
Join date: 12 Jun 2003
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01-18-2005 22:54
Just be careful next time you piss off a white-trash trailer woman.
Just so you know, I *can* handle a lighted penis that's jumping on a trampoline while watching a rerun of ET without getting out of breath.
You fired hard.
I fired back.
Asking for a complete boycott of an existing company isn't coming out with guns blazing?
Then again, you're the politician.
G'wan -- switch sides -- you know you want to.
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Lynn Lippmann
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01-18-2005 22:58
"Yet at the same time I fear that Merwan is playing the role of the gracious martyr while a self-admitted blackmailer is getting away with breach of contract."
*sighs*
You're reading far too much drama into this thread.
Wait until Merwan speaks. (I mean, come on Merwan -- you post a PUBLIC plea to take you back into the company without explaining what you feel might have happened? You have absolutely NO clue as to what transpired in those months of working together? You won't try to explain, but yet you will make a public plea to reinstate you without an explanation? Something ain't right.)
Wait until Apoth speaks.
Read both scenarios.
Have a drink. Have sex. Have a cigarette.
Then make up your mind.
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Ulrika Zugzwang
Magnanimous in Victory
Join date: 10 Jun 2004
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01-18-2005 22:59
From: Jonquille Noir It's okay, Ulrika, we understand.. You are a crusader desperately seeking a cause, and any cause will do. Not really. They all usually revolve around ethical capitalism. As a matter of fact everything which drives me is pretty much summed up in the SDF platform I created. I just don't like liars, name callers, cheats, and thieves who exploit other people. I've always been very aware of and very sensitive to justice as it relates to society and politics. ~Ulrika~
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Ulrika Zugzwang
Magnanimous in Victory
Join date: 10 Jun 2004
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01-18-2005 23:00
From: Lynn Lippmann Wait until Merwan speaks. Wait until Apoth speaks. Read both scenarios. Then make up your mind. Good advice. I've flip flopped.  ~Ulrika~
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Kate Hanks
AFK Queen
Join date: 17 Oct 2003
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01-18-2005 23:22
From: Lynn Lippmann Well, I see the JackAss Party has spoken. This is the first thing that has made me laugh about this whole topic! Keep posting Lynn!! From: Jonquille Noir It's okay, Ulrika, we understand.. You are a crusader desperately seeking a cause, and any cause will do. God, someone who has the balls to say something I just can't spit out! Yay Jon. Ulrika, I'm sure you share all of the forum discussions with your friends at the University. Do me a favor, graduate. Live, love and work in the real world. Only then will I give your crusades some attention. I'm glad, though, that you can question if you have jumped the gun. You just went up a small point in my book.
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Surreal Farber
Cat Herder
Join date: 5 Feb 2004
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01-18-2005 23:27
From: Ulrika Zugzwang I have zero tolerance for the ever-present unethical capitalism that seems haunt this game. We have no law enforcement, we have little recourse through the Lindens, the only solution is to exercise our collective force as consumers. This is done through a boycott.
No more unethical capitalism in SL! The boycott remains.
~Ulrika~ Bah. How about due process. How about finding out ALL the facts before jumping to conclusions. I still don't have enough information to make an informed judgement. Awaiting that information before taking any action. And that includes leading a mob. Surreal
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Sensual Casanova
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Join date: 28 Feb 2004
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01-19-2005 07:14
From: Ulrika Zugzwang Good god! I didn't know we gonna knock the screen door on our trailer off to throw lawn chairs at each other. A simple "I don't agree with you" would suffice. I tell people about these forums at the University and they just don't believe me.  ~Ulrika~ Omfg lmao! 
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Lecktor Hannibal
YOUR MOM
Join date: 1 Jul 2004
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01-19-2005 07:20
From: Ulrika Zugzwang Not really. They all usually revolve around ethical capitalism. As a matter of fact everything which drives me is pretty much summed up in the SDF platform I created. I just don't like liars, name callers, cheats, and thieves who exploit other people. I've always been very aware of and very sensitive to justice as it relates to society and politics. ~Ulrika~ I love how you threw out the votes for the Costume Party and called it tactical voting. Hugs ZugZug party on!
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Ingrid Ingersoll
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Join date: 10 Aug 2004
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01-19-2005 07:27
A little more info would be helpful. I had planned to list my stuff on SL exchange, now I'm undecided and that's mainly because there's some confusion as to what's going on.
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Rose Karuna
Lizard Doctor
Join date: 5 Jun 2004
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01-19-2005 07:44
From: Chip Midnight You're all class Merwan, even when you're down.  Yup - I second that opinion. Your an 'excellent' person Merwan.
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Liona Clio
Angel in Disguise
Join date: 30 Aug 2004
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01-19-2005 07:51
From: Ingrid Ingersoll A little more info would be helpful. I had planned to list my stuff on SL exchange, now I'm undecided and that's mainly because there's some confusion as to what's going on. And this is my big problem with the entire....what, three threads now on this topic? Merchants, like Ingrid here, are thinking twice about putting their support in SLExchange. I can't say I blame them, considering the HUGE mountain people have been making over this molehill. Apotheus probably made the wrong decision by posting an open letter of apology to Merwan. He shouldn't have made the behind-the-scenes actions public; this was an issue between him and Merwan. However, we have no one to blame but ourselves if SLExchange ends. The mob mentality of this board has been all too eager to pull out the pitchforks and torches, for what seems to me to be no other reason than it likes to shake its fist at 'injustice'. SLExchange.com is a great idea, and I think it furthers the idea that SL is *more* than just a game, but a society. Let's not let mass hysteria ruin the fun for once.
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Surreal Farber
Cat Herder
Join date: 5 Feb 2004
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01-19-2005 07:59
Taken from this thread: /120/db/33303/1.htmlFrom: Ulrika Zugzwang I've had much success with online infrastructure including vendors with on-line reporting and hybrid in-world out-of-world voting machines. My next goal is to create a competitor to slexchange with significantly reduced pricing -- free in most cases. The slexchange fees are just ridiculous for the service provided.
If anyone would like to join me in this endeavor, send me an email. Now that elections are over in Neualtenburg (and the voting infrastructure is done) I can focus on some new tasks.~Ulrika~ I find your motives suspect. Boycott and sink a service you want to compete with? How does this mesh with your puported support for ethical capitalism? There is still not enough information on this subject (as opposed to drama, innuendo, flames, trolls, etc.) to determine what actually happened. Taken from this thead: /120/01/33379/1.htmlFrom: Ulrika Zugzwang I just don't like liars, name callers, cheats, and thieves who exploit other people. I've always been very aware of and very sensitive to justice as it relates to society and politics. ~Ulrika~ Justice: (Mirriam-Webster) "the quality of being just, impartial, or fair." Did your sensitivity to justice overlook the "impartial" part? And how about the name calling part? Personally, I despise hypocracy. Surreal
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Pendari Lorentz
Senior Member
Join date: 5 Sep 2003
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01-19-2005 08:55
I actually agree that Boycotting a business is one of the few ways we as residents of SL can put a bit of power into our hands as to which businesses thrive and which ones fail. There are already a number of businesses in SL that I personally Boycott. Though I only would tell a friend which ones they are if specifically asked. Word of mouth is a huge and highly regarded form of advertisement for a business. It goes a long way.
That said, I personally will wait to see how this situation turns out before I decide if I will Boycott Slex or not. Too much is still up in the air at this point.
I would also like to add that these personal attacks and name callings that people keep slinging at Ulrika is really starting to piss me off. I've watched this woman give her opinions and ideas on issues (and yes some of those are *very* strong opinions and many I do not agree with myself), but she always conducts herself in a respectable manner.
Most of the continual jabs about Ulrika's involvement in the Neualt project only serve to show me how little most know about what goes on in the project. You often have no idea how many people you are insulting when you think you are just bashing Ulrika. I am continually amazed at how Ulrika conducts herself and doesn't stoop to the level of name calling and rudeness. My admiration of her character continues to grow daily. And I find myself more and more questioning the respect I once held for some people.
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Lecktor Hannibal
YOUR MOM
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01-19-2005 09:01
So blinding hypocrisy is ok ? Glad to see you back Pen and you know I luv you !
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Jonquille Noir
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01-19-2005 09:04
From: Pendari Lorentz I would also like to add that these personal attacks and name callings that people keep slinging at Ulrika is really starting to piss me off. I've watched this woman give her opinions and ideas on issues (and yes some of those are *very* strong opinions and many I do not agree with myself), but she always conducts herself in a respectable manner. I guess it depends on your opinion of what a 'respectable manner' is, Pen. I don't find trying to ruin someone's business on a whim very respectable. I find it extremely knee-jerk and attention-whoring. Do you find it respectable to do that, Pendari? Your penchant for defending Ulrika regardless of what shit she pulls is really starting to piss me off.
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Pendari Lorentz
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01-19-2005 09:12
From: Jonquille Noir I guess it depends on your opinion of what a 'respectable manner' is, Pen. I don't find trying to ruin someone's business on a whim very respectable. I find it extremely knee-jerk and attention-whoring. Do you find it respectable to do that, Pendari? Your penchant for defending Ulrika regardless of what shit she pulls is really starting to piss me off. Ulrika has already admitted that she may have jumped the gun. There is a way to disagree with a person without having to bash them though. Knee-jerk I can agree with, attention-whoring is something I would not accuse Ulrika of. Of course, she can post a  and gets attention, some have to really work at it. And yes, I will defend Ulrika. Just as I defend some of my other friends. At the same time, I can defend a person while objecting to their viewpoint, ideas, statements, etc. And I don't consider Ulrika a *close friend*. She just happens to be someone I respect very much. I've done the same for others and will continue to do so.
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Jonquille Noir
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01-19-2005 09:14
From: Pendari Lorentz Ulrika has already admitted that she may have jumped the gun. She admitted she may have jumped the gun, and then started a second thread after that admission. If that isn't attention-whoring, nothing is.
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Kris Ritter
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Join date: 31 Oct 2003
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01-19-2005 09:15
From: Pendari Lorentz Ulrika has already admitted that she may have jumped the gun. There is a way to disagree with a person without having to bash them though. Knee-jerk I can agree with, attention-whoring is something I would not accuse Ulrika of. Of course, she can post a  and gets attention, some have to really work at it. Pen, I gotta say its hard to give her points for admitting she jumped the gun when she started a new POLL/drama thread (her description) not 3 hours ago and sometime after her admission. Edit: Jonquille types faster than me
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Cristiano Midnight
Evil Snapshot Baron
Join date: 17 May 2003
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01-19-2005 09:20
While it is too early to call for a full on boycott of the site, there are some grave concerns about trust issues with it, and a significant amount of damage has been done by Apotheus' statements and actions against Merwan. Considering that an account that is now controlled soley by Apotheus has the deposits of hundreds of players in it, and that all vendors on the site await settlement from Apotheus, his bizarre behavior is definitely a valid concern to have. I cannot blame any merchant or customer from not using the site. Merwan's careful statements do not imply what Apotheus has said has any truth in it, he is just trying to consider his options carefully and privately - he tried to keep this situation as private as possible, and prior to Apotheus' thread, it had not been dragged into the forums. The business relationship is dead in the water. SLExchange rose to prominence on Merwan's well earned reputation - it remains to be seen how much damage Apotheus' reputation will now do to the site.
Ordinarily when you buy from a merchant in SL, the only trust issue involved is will the item look like I expect/do what it says. You have no fears of receiving it (other than bugs). A web based business where you provide both personal information and money to a third party rises and falls on the trust of its operators. Is the jury still out on this? Perhaps, but what we have been witnessing so far is Apotheus' digging himself a bigger hole and Merwan staying true to form. Ultimately individually you have to make up your mind if you want to continue to support the site under these conditions. Supporting the vendors on the site is not the only concern, as you can buy from any of them directly.
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Talen Morgan
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Join date: 2 Apr 2004
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01-19-2005 09:23
Attention whore is mighty strong language...besides I don't think she's charging so it would be attention slut ok back to the madness 
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