Don't Blame Dancing

Yes, so stop doing it.

"I know you are but what am I"

LOL, get over yourself.

Edited: Double edited =P

*sigh* Maybe when you're 18 you can come back and I'll take notice... Until then, you're on my ignore list. I'm sure someone will let me know if you have anything constructive to say.

awwww how sad

like i've said in another thread, old ratings have to go!

the 25 L$ rating corrects the rate mining situation. older players were just as much party to rate mining as new players. i have been playing SL for quite some time, and my observation is that ratemining the 1 L$ rating has always been a problem from beta to present. catherine omega coined this term almost two years ago.

also, besides ratemining, the rating system had often been used as a handshake nice to meet you, particularly early on. but after the older players had amassed a fortune of meaningless ratings, it became time to instate a status quo by attacking the very same practices amongst new players and instituting a rating etiquette in an attempt to freeze the advantaged.

deserved! bah!

LOL hahah...pfft. That statement is just so off the mark its funny... hahhahah LOL



fen-

How was this post edited at 8:06 pm? I missed the personal attacks!!! =(

feniks, you sure crawled out of the woodwork quick to dismiss that idea.

LOL well said Sio! It's annoying as hell. Prokofy underestimates his ability to incite stupidity.

it's so on the mark! it was like a giant target on your forehead! bang! bang! said my feted inner core pea shooter!

The fact of the matter is, people abused and exploited to the point where the rating system to a point where it became utterly meaningless. I'd be happy for them to be done away with entirely.

Hahahahah!

Actually, it was a player named Kerstin Taylor that coined the term. Catherine Omega was one of the newbies accused of being a rate miner.

What was that you were saying? =P

We all abused the system, but not to the extent it got abused during the club era. I still run in to people that've been around since beta that I never rated.

Deklax, I think I was saying that my behavior back then was no different than the behavior of new people now And that its fairly normal, depending on how social a player is. My purpose in starting the thread was to stop the newb-blaming I felt was going on. Interesting how it turned to oldbie-blaming. Maybe the lesson is, that someone has to take the blame.

Dude the only one with an attitude of superiority in here is you.

Do you hate your relatives that are older than you because they have been around longer than you and might have more assets?

I guess expecting you to pay attention to the thread you are responding to is just too much to ask of someone who apparently has the attention span of a housefly. Most of us are saying scrap the whole system. What is your point except to try and draw lines with regard to player age? Some of you wound lickers just see nothing besides a born on date when you approch others in SL. Paranoid much?

The name of the thread is *Don't blame dancing* not *Don't blame old players*

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lol Nolan, jeez. You sure like to insult don't you?

Do you feel better now? =P

P.S. No i dont hate my relatives (contrary to your apparent belief don't hate older players either), but they arnt paid by the government excessively large stipends of money for nothing, so i don't see the correlation.

What facts?

All I hear from you is assumption. You aren't even listening, most say scrap the system. How is this oldsters whining that they are losing an entitlement?

Want to talk about insults? Your first post in this thread was nothing more than an assumptive insult. Now that you are reaping what you sowed you are crying "Insult!". Whatever.

"lol I love how every old player thinks they have some natural born right to be paid lots of linden dollars every week for doing nothing for the rest of time."

Read much? Assume much? You present me with some actual facts and I will debate with you. The above is flat out wrong, i.e. NOT a fact.

If you continue in this vein you will be summarily ignored.

You are overlooking the fact that EVERYONE got that money and, for the record, a lot folks 3 months old or older have more rates than many old timers, hence a higher stipend. I am nearly 2 years old and my highest category is behavior at just barely over 500 which nets me all of 650$L a week. It's a nice kicker but I do not depend on it, nor have I or most people responding in this thread complained about a reduced bonus/stipend. Quite to the contrary. Most are calling for the complete removal of the ratings system.

Now, your point was?

Lol, my original point was simple. Old players need to stop whining about losing their ratings. For those like yourself that never had em, obviously that doesnt apply and you shouldn't get personally insulted. Its funny that such a simple (if overly generalized) comment would hurt your feelings so badly. Honestly, I wasnt even thinking of you when i originally responded to Bel's first post as hard as that is to believe. Chip and Bel seemed to take it appropriately in stride, but you seem to feel i was spitting on your personal supreme honor as a long standing player. I was not.

It is true that everyone had access to the same system so could equally abuse it - but at a certain point the people at the top are going to be there nearly forever, as i think Siobhan's commentary made clear. A disproportionate amount of the highly rated people under the old system were long standing residents compared to the number of people participating now, and many have complained loudly both before and after the changes for varying personal reasons.

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Oh, I quite agree.

"EVERY OLD PLAYER". Now you're gonna cry when the people you named take you on for that? Backpeddle much?

I admit to some over exaggeration I will modify my original statement to the following:

"...I love how many old players think they have some natural born right to be paid lots of linden dollars every week for doing nothing for the rest of time"

You have enlightened me and I stand corrected

Hi newbie here
I remembered coming into sl when it was $1L for each rating and i was always being rated and all i did was stand there saying hi lol. I never understood it untill someone told me "PSST, the more you rate the more money SL will give you." I was confused, Second life gives you money? I was still perplexed on how to get my avatar looking presentable enough, never mind navigating. When i was told this, i immediatly started looking for a catch hehe.

To my added excitement, learning the complexity to this program, im being paid "In-game moolah" for being in sl. Talk about cool! It inspired me to look for events where there were alot of people so i could rate like a toddlers aimless clicking of the mouse buttons. To further the amazing gratification of antisapating "rolling in SL dough", i met some friends and people i already knew from other virtual chatter hangs! Awsome!

Getting into the groove, i was taught and learned how to get my avatar set up pressentably aproachable, spent all my stipend on wicked cool items made by graphicaly tallented artists and had learned how to use the building tools. Bought some land, built a nice little settling box for the wiff n I and couldnt wait to get more money to throw back into curculation.

Then these changes happened....

Ewww $25 for each rating? *shivers*
I eventually stopped looking for events cuz i didnt have the flow to rate, or counter rate when i got rated. So i slowed down my shopping and started saving for what i really wanted to do in SL, (currently founder of a group called World Fellowship). Getting some land for the group and building an event filled parcell for all my sl friends and who ever wants to have fun.
Ok let me get back on topic lol. Now i learn the rating system is going to "Decay"? hmmm.
Why have it at all if rating will be, at best, minimal and knowing it wont mean anything in 6 months? Ok i can see the points to all of it but the $25L per rating is a bit steep, and the 6 months is a bit short. If the rating cost should remain, maybe extend the decay? Or the other way around.
Better yet, get rid of it all together. Why? Cuz, my compassion is strong and if i have spent all my money and someone paid $25 to $75 to rate me how am i going to thank them? Saying "Thank you"? lol. Chances are i wont remember a letter in their name come pay day hehe. But no i will, still its pretty embarrasing to say the least. Get rid of it, or heres another suggestion, make it free with out bonuses, that way its just a personal refrence! Well gee wizziz!

LOL dang i rambled, sorry!
But i loved the points made and pros, n cons of the whole subject made here.
Cyas in the game!
ZEB

I'm not an "oldbie", (although I'm lucky enough to know a few), and I agreed pretty much with everything Bel had to say.

The thing is, I think there really is an easy fix. If they don't drop off the old ratings, then the $25 ratings charge marginalizes the n00b who doesn't have linden to spare. If they drop the old ratings with the $25 charge, then older, established users are forced in to a position of possibly having *no* ratings, taken to it's logical extreme.

Of course, I think that if they are going to have the ratings drop off, they should go back to making ratings more affordable. It was my understanding that one of the reasons they did that was to make griefing with neg ratings more difficult and to reduce ratemining. If the ratings drop off in six monthes, then those problems are fixed automatically, because most people that I've seen tend to rate-mine quite a bit at first, and then taper off. By six months, you are generally established enough that it's not neccessary to rate-mine.

And if they insist on the $25 ratings, then old people should be able to keep their ratings, after all, why should they have to go out and fight for more expensive ratings when they're already established and have been around, created, and contributed for a long time? It's a hassle and blatantly favors the new person who's still wandering around and meeting lots of people.

Stipends are a different issue, however. I'm not sure that ratings should be tied to stipend. Or perhaps rather than having a ratings drop off, you could only get bonus from ratings in the last six months, which would eliminate the oldbies from coasting on their laurells with bonus money, but would allow them to keep their standing in the community. (And let's face it, most people older than six months can think of *some* way to earn money)

Anyhow, these are my thoughts---

Delairen

good stuff, zeb. your perspective gives a lot to thinking about. i like your conclusion.

i think the best thing about the changes was reducing the rating bonuses, not the 25 L$ hike. it means there is still incentive to be rated, but it is not skewed in favour of basic account holders and it doesn't deflate the L$ value.

regardless of the system that is employed, if should always be either equitable or in favour of premium account players, and it should always maintaing a stable L$ value. we need a stable and fluid L$, it motivates the content barons!